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Old November 8th, 2012, 09:43 AM   #11

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My thoughts exactly. If its not the will of the people then it shouldn't be the will of the government.
The problem with that is that often times a nation won't get massive numbers of volunteers, particularly in peace time. And with regard to war, unless you have absolute knowledge that you can overpower your opponent with little effort, maintaining a small volunteer force may not work if something big comes along.

The best example of this is the British Army in WWI. Their army relied on volunteers and while the argument could be made that the army that went to fight in 1914 was just as good, if not better, then the armies of its allies and enemies, the fact that Britain's army was small in 1914 hurt it tremendously. They couldn't make a major stand without massive French support, and since most of the French army had attacked into Alsace and Lorraine in 1914, the British at Mons had little support and couldn't stay there.

The issue of conscription is there and legal to allow the government to raise troops should the situation arise to need it. Even the US still has conscription policies (that's what "selective service" is for).

But there can be problems with the system, highlighted by the protests of the war in Vietnam in American history, where the draft was predominantly sending blacks and the poor to fight while others were exempted. These protests are nothing new. New York had massive draft riots shortly after the Battle of Gettysburg during the American Civil War, and the issue at had was over the "fairness" of who was drafted. However, in the case of Vietnam, the US military decided that it would be wiser to maintain a volunteer army and train them up so that their capabilities are much better...

But the politicians kept the "draft" as an option, just in case America ends up in a war on par with the World Wars where massive troop numbers would be required. That scenario has not yet come about and thus no one has used the draft in the US since the Vietnam era.
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But maybe the alternative for your country is even worse. For your country it was Nazi occupation in 1940. In 1939 Stalin had plans for my country: Finns to be sent to Siberia and the colonization of Finland with native Russians!

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
First of all, I was saying that any country using forced labor of any kind, should cease to exist. That includes nazi germany and Stalin's Russia.

Secondly, conscription was already in order in Denmark prior to the nazi occupation. It had no effect whatsoever.
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A country isn't worth defending if not enough volunteers sign up for battle.

I will never defend a country which uses forced labor. A country using forced labor, be it by brute force (conscription/imprisonment) OR economic pressure, in my opinion, should cease to exist!
Tell that to the Soviets of WWII. Without massive conscription, Germany almost certainly takes Moscow and quite possibly wins WWII.

As ugly as war is, it's a fact of life. Sometimes countries are compelled to defend themselves against foreign aggressors. If a country doesn't use every resource available to it (even compulsory human service) you can bet the other guy will.
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Tell that to the Soviets of WWII. Without massive conscription, Germany almost certainly takes Moscow and quite possibly wins WWII.

As ugly as war is, it's a fact of life. Sometimes countries are compelled to defend themselves against foreign aggressors. If a country doesn't use every resource available to it (even compulsory human service) you can bet the other guy will.
That's true. I was talking about the philosophical point of view though.

When I wrote that any country that uses forced labor of any kind should cease to exist, that included the nazis as well.

Without conscription, there would have been no world wars.
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A country isn't worth defending if not enough volunteers sign up for battle.

I will never defend a country which uses forced labor. A country using forced labor, be it by brute force (conscription/imprisonment) OR economic pressure, in my opinion, should cease to exist!
Then I guess your country should vanish from the face of the earth?
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Old November 8th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #16

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..................Without conscription, there would have been no world wars.
Yes there would, Britain for instance recruited an army of millions in WWI with nothing but volunteers.
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Then I guess your country should vanish from the face of the earth?
''What is a country but an imagery line''?
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I think numerous times it has shown by utilizing conscription it can also multiply volunteers into service.
Because they've no other choice, just maybe ?
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Yes there would, Britain for instance recruited an army of millions in WWI with nothing but volunteers.
In those days war was romantized adventure. And that particular war was supposed to be over in no time.
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Because they've no other choice, just maybe ?
Military conscriptions could serve as a rallying point for would be volunteers because it is the ultimate display of a country's desperate plea for defenders. Voluntary enlistments should surge up.

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