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View Poll Results: Do you support the legalization of heavy drugs?
Yes 29 47.54%
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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:27 PM   #21

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Sorry but I have to come in on this one. Unfortunately Heroin and the rest of the crap, like nuclear weapons, cannot be uninvented. In Scotland we have the highest addiction to heroin per capita then anywhere in Western Europe and, not playing the bleeding heart card, it killed my youngest brother, but only after he came out of a coma and was a complete vegetable for three horrifying years. I do not know the answer to whether it should be legalised or not but I did threaten my son with breaking every bone in his body if he touched any illegal substance. Harsh you might think but it worked. On this one never mind the legal issues just be a good parent and use good old tough love.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #22

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@ Lucius Vorenus: I'm agreeing with tjadams ().

Jake10 said: "We're simply fighting a losing battle, just like prohibition." And I hear this, I really do. It must be frustrating to law enforcement to see victories so seemingly few and far between. It's just that there are those battles which are lost only by giving up.
The demand for sex traffic and child pornography hasn't gone away either...
True, since there's a huge demand for it, and everyone wants it, and doing
it in the privacy of their own homes doesn't effect anyone else, it should be
legalized. There's been millions spent on stopping it to no avail, the prisons
are full of offenders, the police have better things to do than arrest and
organize arrest of these offenders. Does that same drug logic and words pertain to this field?
Seems then that everyone can cut and paste those
lines in their defense and win.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #23

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Sorry but I have to come in on this one. Unfortunately Heroin and the rest of the crap, like nuclear weapons, cannot be uninvented. In Scotland we have the highest addiction to heroin per capita then anywhere in Western Europe and, not playing the bleeding heart card, it killed my youngest brother, but only after he came out of a coma and was a complete vegetable for three horrifying years. I do not know the answer to whether it should be legalised or not but I did threaten my son with breaking every bone in his body if he touched any illegal substance. Harsh you might think but it worked. On this one never mind the legal issues just be a good parent and use good old tough love.
Sorry for your tough deal in life.
My older brother has done drugs since he as about 16 and today he
lives in a trailer, no education, a drop out and in poor health.
He used drugs for decades, all the while being the 'tough guy', no one
was going to tell what to do and the law, they just better leave me alone
or else. That was his thinking. He was able to hold a job for awhile, but
he kept losing them because he was unable to report to work from
being strung out on dope. Two divorces and seven kids later, he owes
$50K in back child support for seven kids, lives in a tiny trailer doing
menial jobs for the land owner. The root of his problem? Drugs.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #24

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Sorry but I have to come in on this one. Unfortunately Heroin and the rest of the crap, like nuclear weapons, cannot be uninvented. In Scotland we have the highest addiction to heroin per capita then anywhere in Western Europe and, not playing the bleeding heart card, it killed my youngest brother, but only after he came out of a coma and was a complete vegetable for three horrifying years. I do not know the answer to whether it should be legalised or not but I did threaten my son with breaking every bone in his body if he touched any illegal substance. Harsh you might think but it worked. On this one never mind the legal issues just be a good parent and use good old tough love.
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Sorry for your tough deal in life.
My older brother has done drugs since he as about 16 and today he
lives in a trailer, no education, a drop out and in poor health.
He used drugs for decades, all the while being the 'tough guy', no one
was going to tell what to do and the law, they just better leave me alone
or else. That was his thinking. He was able to hold a job for awhile, but
he kept losing them because he was unable to report to work from
being strung out on dope. Two divorces and seven kids later, he owes
$50K in back child support for seven kids, lives in a tiny trailer doing
menial jobs for the land owner. The root of his problem? Drugs.
So how's that war on drugs working out for you guys? It seems it has failed in both cases. But I am on the fence about hardcore drugs.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #25

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Deleted my post...decided issue needed more thought.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #26

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Sorry but I have to come in on this one. Unfortunately Heroin and the rest of the crap, like nuclear weapons, cannot be uninvented. In Scotland we have the highest addiction to heroin per capita then anywhere in Western Europe and, not playing the bleeding heart card, it killed my youngest brother, but only after he came out of a coma and was a complete vegetable for three horrifying years. I do not know the answer to whether it should be legalised or not but I did threaten my son with breaking every bone in his body if he touched any illegal substance. Harsh you might think but it worked. On this one never mind the legal issues just be a good parent and use good old tough love.
Sorry to hear about your brother.
Glad to hear it has worked out for your son. Personally i believe it's better not to create a taboo about drugs or drug use. I'd like to be able to scare my kid like you did, but that just isn't me. I'd prefer my kids telling me or their mother and knowing they can tell. Hopefully i'd be able to help them. Furthermore i 'd prefer them doing it in my house, where i can see and monitor it, than them going on the street and god knows where...

In the end, one day they're away from my educational thunder and lightningbolts anyway and they'll have to make the right choices by heart and thought, rather than out of fear for punishment. Ideally...
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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #27

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True, since there's a huge demand for it, and everyone wants it, and doing
it in the privacy of their own homes doesn't effect anyone else, it should be
legalized. There's been millions spent on stopping it to no avail, the prisons
are full of offenders, the police have better things to do than arrest and
organize arrest of these offenders. Does that same drug logic and words pertain to this field?
Seems then that everyone can cut and paste those
lines in their defense and win.
You can't compare drug use to sex traffic or child pornography. In sex traffic there are always victims at the hand of others. Drug use doesn't necessarily has to have victims. I'd argue that the whole criminal and taboo-sphere around it is actually turning more people into victims than the recreational use of most drugs in itself. In any case it isn't "justice" to place a potsmoker in the same category as a paedophile. It isn't justice and it isn't a good analogy either.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #28

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i proclaim that making all sorts of drugs legal will not make things worse than already it is. maybe the user number would be the same but you will have less drug related crime. i also think that the user number will decrease. remember the prohibition era? the illegality of alcohol made the user number boom!
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #29

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Originally Posted by Von Ranke View Post
Sorry but I have to come in on this one. Unfortunately Heroin and the rest of the crap, like nuclear weapons, cannot be uninvented. In Scotland we have the highest addiction to heroin per capita then anywhere in Western Europe and, not playing the bleeding heart card, it killed my youngest brother, but only after he came out of a coma and was a complete vegetable for three horrifying years. I do not know the answer to whether it should be legalised or not but I did threaten my son with breaking every bone in his body if he touched any illegal substance. Harsh you might think but it worked. On this one never mind the legal issues just be a good parent and use good old tough love.
The tragedies that drugs cause on people mostly occur because of illegals substances being sold. Drugs on the street are mixed with whatever poisons you can think of. Legal drugs would, at least, meet some sort of government standards. It would prevent the shootings, the young people who are tricked into becoming addicted by druglords, the income of gangs, etcetera.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #30

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@ Lucius Vorenus: I'm agreeing with tjadams ().

Jake10 said: "We're simply fighting a losing battle, just like prohibition." And I hear this, I really do. It must be frustrating to law enforcement to see victories so seemingly few and far between. It's just that there are those battles which are lost only by giving up.
The demand for sex traffic and child pornography hasn't gone away either...
Murders continue and will always be with us, but the numbers are low and most of society opposes this, just like child pornography. Prostitution is something that I feel should be legalized as well, but that's another thread. What we need to look at is the power of some criminals. Drug lords are now becoming so powerful that communities in Mexico, Colombia and other such countries look up to them. When one of Mexico's strongest drug kings was killed, a marine died in the raid. He was given a hero's burial which appeared on television, and the gang killed the marine's entire family the next day. The power of these organizations is too large. Customs officials are paid off to let certain cars over the border without checking them, police officers are on the take because there is so much money involved, and combating these organizations can bee very dangerous, not just for police but also for their families. In Colombia, the cartels control some areas of the country. This is why we need to make drugs legal.
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