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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #51

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I don't see any good coming out of legalization of heavy or hard drugs. if we do so, do we risk being the 21st century equivalent of 19th century China? A nation addicted to opiates?

I could support the idea of more rational sentences for drug users as opposed to drug dealers. At any rate, even for those that advocate some kind of doctor's prescriptions, you still would have those that would want more than the doctor's prescribe. Just look at the problem with legal prescription drugs now with doctor's being arrested for prescribing these drugs too easily, pharmacies being robbed, and these prescription drugs being sold on the black market.

I also find it ironic that we have advocates of legalizing hard drugs, when states are taking steps to outlaw and/or tax to death tobacco. Yes, marijuana seems to be on the road to legalization, but once again I would support the decriminalization of marijuana use. But let's see how legalization of marijuana works out before legalizing LSD, meth, heroin, and other hard drugs.

I see hard drugs as destroying societies and legalization will only facilitate its use not lessen it.

Agreed, socieies and empires can be overrun, they can also fall from within, leagalising class A drugs will open a can of worms, and it may be very difficult to get the lid back on.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:20 AM   #52

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Today, where i live, it is in the schools (from 12-18) where people get in contact with drugs. I can understand why dealers sell to youngsters who in turn sell it in the schools, they're not being controlled, they can count on the silence of those involved and they only have to care about profit, not the health of their "costumers". I would expect, with regulation and supervision on the production process and the sale, we would see less drugs in our schools.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:28 AM   #53

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Today, where i live, it is in the schools (from 12-18) where people get in contact with drugs. I can understand why dealers sell to youngsters who in turn sell it in the schools, they're not being controlled, they can count on the silence of those involved and they only have to care about profit, not the health of their "costumers". I would expect, with regulation and supervision on the production process and the sale, we would see less drugs in our schools.

uuuummmmm not sure about that, the sale of ciggarettes are restricted, i see plenty of youngsters puffing away.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:31 AM   #54

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Indeed, because there are lots of people who enjoy the thrill of dangers.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #55

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When it comes to legalization of drugs, the debate often focuses on marijuana, and not many people agree/talk about the full legalization of drugs, including nasty things like cocaine heroine etc.

What's your stance on the issue? I know that's there's a topic on weed in the lounge, but here I would like to focus only on the most dangerous drugs.
A difficult issue. Philosophically, ethically, morally I would say yes. You do have the right to commit suicide, and everything in that direction. Practically I would lean towards a yes as well. Particularly the opiates would at first hand harm the consumer, and others only in correlation with financing a potential addiction, which would likely be cheaper and hence easier to pay for under a decriminalized order. With mind-altering and "speeding" substances, it's more difficult. Countries such as Portugal, which has legalized the consumption of all drugs, has seen limited consequences both for the consumers and society in general.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:52 AM   #56

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I don't like drugs, they damage people, damage societies, increase crime and lead to all sorts of health problems. Unfortunately, outlawing them only leads to underground movements that become wealthy.

In Mexico, druglords are buried in Jardines the Humaya, where they have tombs larger and nicer than many of the homes in the country. They even have air conditioning in their tombs.

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The money is so attractive to people who live in poverty that the industry grows and grows, to the point where they buy submarines and the latest technology to smuggle drugs.

So, since outlawing drugs doesn't work, it's better to legalize them and charge taxes on them while educating people about them. It's basically selecting the lesser of two evils.
Well said, I agree.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #57

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It's because people like them, like their desires over alcohol and tobacco and that is the essence of freedom which is to exercise the right to choose.
My friend, drugs are the most enslaving substances around. A person should be free to destroy his own life, but not allowed to destroy the lives of others; hence the need to legalise drug use, but crack down on drug selling and distribution. Drugs should be totally cut-off from the profit incentive and become a state controlled and heavily supervised health sector.

Many people compare tobacco and alcohol, as well as other habits damaging health, with drugs. This is a superficial comparison, as the latter are incomparably more addictive and damaging. It takes just one or two shots to get addicted to heroin, and it is extremely difficult to break away from it. Other drugs are also extremely addictive, many cause permanent brain damage and paranoia, as well as general health issues. The pace that drugs enslave and destroy, is simply not comparable with that of any other addiction. Therefore we cannot equate their handling with that of other vices.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 05:46 AM   #58

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maybe each country should make one city where hard drugs are sold by the state and it is legal to consume them within that city's bounds. maybe could work
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My friend, drugs are the most enslaving substances around. A person should be free to destroy his own life, but not allowed to destroy the lives of others; hence the need to legalise drug use, but crack down on drug selling and distribution. Drugs should be totally cut-off from the profit incentive and become a state controlled and heavily supervised health sector.

Many people compare tobacco and alcohol, as well as other habits damaging health, with drugs. This is a superficial comparison, as the latter are incomparably more addictive and damaging. It takes just one or two shots to get addicted to heroin, and it is extremely difficult to break away from it. Other drugs are also extremely addictive, many cause permanent brain damage and paranoia, as well as general health issues. The pace that drugs enslave and destroy, is simply not comparable with that of any other addiction. Therefore we cannot equate their handling with that of other vices.
You're a bit incoherent here imho - first you say that one should be allowed to destroy oneself, then say that this should only be allpied within a certain level of "destruction".
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My friend, drugs are the most enslaving substances around. A person should be free to destroy his own life, but not allowed to destroy the lives of others; hence the need to legalise drug use, but crack down on drug selling and distribution. Drugs should be totally cut-off from the profit incentive and become a state controlled and heavily supervised health sector.

Many people compare tobacco and alcohol, as well as other habits damaging health, with drugs. This is a superficial comparison, as the latter are incomparably more addictive and damaging. It takes just one or two shots to get addicted to heroin, and it is extremely difficult to break away from it. Other drugs are also extremely addictive, many cause permanent brain damage and paranoia, as well as general health issues. The pace that drugs enslave and destroy, is simply not comparable with that of any other addiction. Therefore we cannot equate their handling with that of other vices.
Heroin is probably (from what I've heard) the most addictive drug. But ask a smoker who wants to quit if he feels enslaved by tobacco. I know a lot of smokers and most of them smoke for one reason only: they cannot quit. I also know a lot of alcoholics, and it's the same thing. They quit for a few days but cannot stay away. My favorite brother died of it.

I guess the question is why are some drugs legal and others not. IMO it comes down to economics. Tobacco may have turned from something everyone did to something that's now vilified, but it will never be illegal - it's an entire industry, and huge tax revenues come from it. Same with alcohol.

What's sad is that pretty much every human needs some sort of relief/escape at times. What kind of world would it be if there were no stimulants, no sedatives, no hallucinogens, no depressants to alter our perception of reality? Would we be better off or would we have all killed each other en masse generations ago?
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