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Old November 14th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #111
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nonsense! in holland there are more foreigners involved in crime, does that allow me to say that people from the middle east are more often criminals?
of course not, there are many more factors that come in to play.
For ''race'' it's another thing, you are either Asian or you are not.
First of all, "foreigners" is not a race. Neither is "Middle East" a race. So, your jump from "foreigners" a non-race category to another non-race category is problematic when discussing, well "racism".

Making a factual statement, such as Asians generally perform better than non-Asians on college entrance exams, when the data supports such a statement, is not racism. For the comment to constitute as racism, the exceptional performance on college entrance exams would have to be linked to the characteristic or quality of race, i.e. they perform better because they are Asian, or non-Asians do not do compartively as well because they are not Asian.
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First of all, "foreigners" is not a race. Neither is "Middle East" a race. So, your jump from "foreigners" a non-race category to another non-race category is problematic when discussing, well "racism".

Making a factual statement, such as Asians generally perform better than non-Asians on college entrance exams, when the data supports such a statement, is not racism. For the comment to constitute as racism, the exceptional performance on college entrance exams would have to be linked to the characteristic or quality of race, i.e. they perform better because they are Asian, or non-Asians do not do compartively as well because they are not Asian.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 03:48 AM   #113
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nonsense! in holland there are more foreigners involved in crime, does that allow me to say that people from the middle east are more often criminals?
of course not, there are many more factors that come in to play.
For ''race'' it's another thing, you are either Asian or you are not.
if a certain race commits crime at a significantly higher rate, than it is not wrong or racist to say that race commits crime at a higher rate than the other races--is this not true?????
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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #114
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if a certain race commits crime at a significantly higher rate, than it is not wrong or racist to say that race commits crime at a higher rate than the other races--is this not true?????
But it can be highly circumstantial.

If another race were in the same set of circumstances, they may act the same or similar. Therefore it is not racial but, the circumstances which dictate the actions of a said percentage of people.
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I was wondering if someone who prefers a race over other ones or shows off their love for a certain race is labelled as a racist or not?
Umm... I'm inclined to say 'yes' but it's not the kind of racism that would bother me. It's perfectly natural for people not to like or like somebody based on their phenotypes alone, happens all the time and we would be hypocrites to deny that. Racism is only a problem when you act on your discriminatory thoughts and create trouble for others. As long as racism is still just a thought (for eg. race X looks like crap, or is lazy) I don't particularly care. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and as we all know there is no accounting for taste (or distaste).
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Exactly my point! The reason for treating them differently is important, something Bartie's argument ignores, to the detriment of his argument. The mere fact they are treated differently is not racism per se, as Bartie contends.
But if you find asian girls hot because they're small, have black hair and for the eyes, you like them for the specific common traits of their race
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I think its nothing wrong to admire/like a specific race.....just until that fine line called "Respect" is crossed....someone must have enough respect for other cultures/races and he can have it with actually loving his own race...

I like to put in this way:

" I'm Arabian, but I'm not more Arabian than Human "
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But if you find asian girls hot because they're small, have black hair and for the eyes, you like them for the specific common traits of their race
Yeah, so? This isn't racism. A cogent and lucid meaning of racism must include the concept of a belief a race is superior, or another race is inferior, to another race on account of nothing more than race itself. Having a preference for Asian women because they have an innate attraction for women with dark hair, dark skin, and their eyes is not racism.
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Yeah, so? This isn't racism. A cogent and lucid meaning of racism must include the concept of a belief a race is superior, or another race is inferior, to another race on account of nothing more than race itself. Having a preference for Asian women because they have an innate attraction for women with dark hair, dark skin, and their eyes is not racism.
If the race features are what you find attractive, then you find asian girls more beautiful due to their race, thus the race is the factor of preferring them
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If the race features are what you find attractive, then you find asian girls more beautiful due to their race, thus the race is the factor of preferring them
You seem to be looking for excuses to say "racism is ok", and not just in this thread either.
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