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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:52 AM   #71

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Please remember that the scientific community in particular and fundamentally mankind in general have been well aware of these findings for a looooooooonnnggg time.

And aside from some unicellular fossil organisms, the biological definition of species is hardly in any particular problem of precision.
I used (wrongly) "biological" in a generic sense, not in a direct reference to Mayr's one. The debate regarding of what a species is isn't properly settled anyway.

But that wasn't the central point of the issue, which instead is the fact that you've met single indivuduals of the specie, not the abstract concept of it.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #72

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I've never met the concept of Homo sapiens either
Well, the bottom line is we have different ways of seeing people, then.
For me, differences among people do not stop with "culture" (that malleable entity) but continue down to the level of individuals. I choose not to judge a person by what I think s/he must be like before I meet him/her. If I am too far away from a group to see the trees in the forest, I am too far away to say anything meaningful.
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For me, differences among people do not stop with "culture" (that malleable entity) but continue down to the level of individuals.
And where did I say that culture is the only element? sigh
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I used (wrongly) "biological" in a generic sense, not in a direct reference to Mayr's one. The debate regarding of what a species is isn't properly settled anyway.

But that wasn't the central point of the issue, which instead is the fact that you've met single indivuduals of the specie, not the abstract concept of it.
Irrelevant fallacious red herrings aside, for the purposes of the OP the biological definition of species is more than settled from long ago.

Homo sapiens (sapiens) is just one single species (and subspecies too, of course);
Period.

I have certainly met the rather concrete, elementary & objective scientific facts why Homo sapiens sapiens is just a single species.

Not exactly rocket science, to be honest.

Please remind us how many abstract concepts have you met in the road last week.
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yes, strictly speaking it is.
It makes you treat other races diferently and that is the definition of racism.
I think the Asian race is the most beautiful and smart, and I'm white!!!!!do you believe that would make me treat other races in a 'bad' way???
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Facebook but it's promoted all over the world, whenever there is a poster about multi naturalism and inter racial dating it's got a black guy and a white girl
just take a sample of TV commercials...it's EXACTLY what you say
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I think the Asian race is the most beautiful and smart, and I'm white!!!!!do you believe that would make me treat other races in a 'bad' way???
In this definition you would be a racist, because you make a positive judgement based on a race.

Racism goes deeper than rednecks in white burning crosses, old imperialists and 16th century slave traders.
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As usual, we couldn't agree any more, my Dardanian Princess
Great, always good when I don't make a pigs ear of an explanation!
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In this definition you would be a racist, because you make a positive judgement based on a race.

Racism goes deeper than rednecks in white burning crosses, old imperialists and 16th century slave traders.
It goes as deep as the Nineteenth Century, which is the last time anyone but Hitler and his chums took it seriously.
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Please remind us how many abstract concepts have you met in the road last week.
No one, does that mean that they don't hold any value? That's the central point of my first reply to tuth

(on the specie thing, I was referring to the concept of specie in general and not only regarding ours)
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