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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:36 AM   #11
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I disagree with that. Enlightened Despotism is, sometimes, better than democracy.

The unfortunate thing about democracy is that it only works propperly when the economy is good and the people are feeling safe and happy.
the same is true about dictatorships, they only work properly if they can give the panem et circenses to the plebs.

I would support an educational requirement for voting, like minimum secondary education, or a special exam on constitutional law so the voters know how the state functions.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #12

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An education is many things. Just because you are an engineer or a school teacher, doesn't mean you have the competence to vote for the parliament deciding the fate of a country.
I am speaking of basic education (high school completed), not university/college degrees. Only literate people should have the privilege of casting their vote.

Edit: What Tulun said would be nice if implemented properly.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #13
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If voting and perhaps other aspects of citizenry should be restricted I would ask if not fulfilling or not fulfilling of some obligations should be among the criteria.
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Universal suffrage means you get uneducated people who can barely put an X on a ballot paper having their say in who runs the country, and i wouldnt have it any other way. Democracy rules, or in Britains case elected dictatorship rules.
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It should be restricted only to people of whom I approve.
Whenever this kind of argument comes up, this is what it essentially means.

And I know it is a dangerous path to travel in these forums, but recent events saw the election of someone who was heavily supported by people with higher education. (Posting the graphs might be one step too far). So I think this is an abstract argument. The results of elections wouldn't significantly change unless you made the limitations very very specific.

Literate? Almost everyone is literate nowadays. Everyone can at least read "Cat in the Hat".
Secondary Education? Again, almost everyone has it. It's quality is another story.
It's chopping out a section of especially disadvantaged people who probably don't turn up at the polling booths anyway.

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I don't think it would be wrong to consider suspending voting rights for people who go on public welfare programs. When they get back on their feet again they would get their voting rights back. That way no one would be able to vote for public charity for themselves. That may be unworkable, and perhaps I am being thoughtless but hey, what is more cruel than national bankruptcy?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #17

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I have my doubts. Does the upper crust know any more than anybody else about how to manage an economy? In Ireland it was the upper crust that wrecked our economy.

It seems to me, too--though maybe somebody will correct me on this--that in a lot of countries parliaments are already composed of members of the upper crust. The masses elect them, and then often complain non-stop about how they're handling affairs.
The upper crust are the only ones that can afford to run for office.
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Why not embrace the "Starship Troopers" model and restrict the vote to those who have served in the armed forces, thus having showed a willingness to put country before self.
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Why not embrace the "Starship Troopers" model and restrict the vote to those who have served in the armed forces, thus having showed a willingness to put country before self.
What about the family members of the ones that served in the armed forces?
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Why not embrace the "Starship Troopers" model and restrict the vote to those who have served in the armed forces, thus having showed a willingness to put country before self.
The "Starship Troopers" society was based the Nazis, so I would not support that. Isn't there anything we can do to change the course? Wouldn't you agree that people who do not know a single thing about the issues are doing more harm than good? It would be OK if it were a coin toss with them, but they are steered by very clever propaganda to vote for "stuff". By "stuff" I mean welfare programs.
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