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View Poll Results: When does life begin?
At conception (or slightly before). 16 47.06%
At birth, basically. 7 20.59%
Somewhere in between. 11 32.35%
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Old November 15th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #21

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Originally Posted by Sicknero View Post
No, that's about as far from my meaning as you can get :-)

I mean that trying to draw a line somewhere in the life span of a human being (or anything else for that matter) to say that here is life but here isn't, seems a bit pointless and self-serving in many ways. We should just be honest with ourselves and accept/admit that our own needs and wishes sometimes mean taking the lives of others.
Ok. I agree with that.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #22

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Originally Posted by Rasta View Post
Surely when you jack off you are not committing mass murder?
No, because we associate murder with killing a full person, not just a chuck of his cells. But from a scientific point of view there's no doubt that a human life starts with the zygote (since it's the first diploid element of a new member of our specie). No one would deny that cells are living things
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Old November 15th, 2012, 02:00 PM   #23

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Originally Posted by Rasta View Post
Under the current definition of life, viruses are not technically alive, as they require a host (living cells) to multiply.

Using this definition of life, I would say that we can say a baby is alive when it is capable of surviving outside of it's mother.
That would be around age twenty!
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Old November 15th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #24
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At conception. I am against abortions, because they kill a life.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #25

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That would be around age twenty!
Lolololol! Which reminds me I have to go and clean up after the viruses. Sorry, I mean kids
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Old November 15th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #26

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I believe that we are all as old as our mothers. The day our mothers were born they had within them all the eggs they would need for reproduction. Since eggs are living things then life begins with the birth of our mother.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 03:13 PM   #27

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I would say - why does it matter when it is human life?

Human skin cells are living human life too.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #28
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Not to offend anyone, but in scientific terms this is simply not any human life:
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Because it is a dolphin's embryo (circa 24 days gestation)

It is of course as much a living dolphin as any adult.

Of course as much as any viable human embryo is a living human being.

The issue is naturally not if these embryos might be just isolated living cells or tissues, analogous let say to any discarded placenta.

The issue is that there is no valid reason to believe any viable individual embryo might be any less a living human individual than he or she after having born.

IMHO the burden of proof would be in any scientific relevant hard evidence showing that such individuality might somehow suddenly appear after conception and before birth.

AFAIK there is simply not any such evidence.

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Old November 15th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #29
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In pragmatic terms the issue on the beginning of the human life as an individual matters mostly for any debate on the legalization of induced abortion.

That said, the empirical evidence overwhelmingly shows that abortion should be systematically legalized.

Chiefly because of public health reasons; virtually any time abortion has been legalized the maternal mortality has significantly diminished.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #30

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Bit obvious this one, seems to me: conception. (The abortion question doesn't necessarily equate to the theme of this thread)
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