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Old November 16th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #11
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When it comes to predictive power in generals, who says any human "science" has it at all or ever will (be it economy, anthropology, history)?
Well... As I see it anthropologists take economy into account, but economists do not seem to take anthropology into account...

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why is scepticism towards a "unified world government" regardeed as so conservative?
Not all scepticisms toward a unified world government would be conservative... But in the case of my friend his argument could be simplified to "it has always been that way, it will always be that way"

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Is such a government, as we traditionally see a government, even desirable? have You thought about what speaks for aand what against it?
I hope that the political model that has been so effective on northern Europe could benefit the whole world... Criminals would have nowhere to go... Well, this also includes political dissidents... But overall I think a world government is the ebst we can strive for.
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I hope that the political model that has been so effective on northern Europe could benefit the whole world... Criminals would have nowhere to go... Well, this also includes political dissidents... But overall I think a world government is the ebst we can strive for.
I on the other hand think there can be said things for and against a hypothetical world government. The argument much depends upon what
sort of "government". But do you want to sharesome thoughts about why it is supposed to be preferable by You? Or is it more an "instinctive" preference? What, if anything, is supposed to be so good about it? What - loosely - kinds of government would be acceptable? Or is this for another thread?
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One govt . , One philosophy , one religion [ or no religion] , one political view is what I imagine as an utopia[ and would always dream for it]. But for that to happen , the cycle of human life will have to undergo a number of seizures because the modern human is intricately bounded to the aspects of culture , religion , language , economy , history ....and these all aspects are subjected to change , temporally and spatially and so , it is prone to terrible hiccups.
And even though if the people would like to come to a mutual agreement , the elite or the top brass would never allow it and would always try to exacerbate the existing differences for the obvious reasons.
Though it could appear that the economics i.e. the resources is the prime driver in the international relations and all historical struggles , I feel it is the greed , covetousness , ambitiousness of the humans that plays a predominant rule in forming the thoughts of people , who in turn are elite , and who consequently frame the policies of Countries.
So I feel , it is like craving for a better economy [economics]by snatching others' resources [ which is anthropological] IMO
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One govt . , One philosophy , one religion [ or no religion] , one political view is what I imagine as an utopia[ and would always dream for it]. But for that to happen , the cycle of human life will have to undergo a number of seizures because the modern human is intricately bounded to the aspects of culture , religion , language , economy , history ....and these all aspects are subjected to change , temporally and spatially and so , it is prone to terrible hiccups.
What is so utopian about it? If someone lives in a locality were that is pretty much the case (I think there are many places not so far from that ideal, were populations are still similar), then all one has to do is to stay home.
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What is so utopian about it? If someone lives in a locality were that is pretty much the case (I think there are many places not so far from that ideal, were populations are still similar), then all one has to do is to stay home.
i say it is utopia because I'm taking the whole world in my purview , not just a small country with no glaring diversities and so it doesn't appear pragmatic to me [ though I hope it would be possible]
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i say it is utopia because I'm taking the whole world in my purview , not just a small country with no glaring diversities and so it doesn't appear pragmatic to me [ though I hope it would be possible]
So a most desirable world according to that point of view is one ridden of much of the diversity of the world of today?
Then is there any way to get that, if it is seen as so desirable? An alternative way to get uniformity among people could be more heavy barriers - borders that really separate people?
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So a most desirable world according to that point of view is one ridden of much of the diversity of the world of today?
Then is there any way to get that, if it is seen as so desirable? An alternative way to get uniformity among people could be more heavy barriers - borders that really separate people?
I dont suggest to get ridden of the diversities of the human [ which are more of a physical type ] . I am trying to suggest a way where we learn to live with a mutual respect and cooperation, where we can live with our diversities present and still learn to compromise .
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I on the other hand think there can be said things for and against a hypothetical world government.
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The argument much depends upon what sort of "government".
Not a cleptocracy, a nazi dictatorship, a british ir usanian empire of course.

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But do you want to share some thoughts about why it is supposed to be preferable by You?
The closest we could to a direct democracy with sociliast leanings... Maybe like Switzerland... Maybe like New Zealand... Not really sure but I know for certain that Northern Europe are the best governments in the world at the time being.

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Or is it more an "instinctive" preference? What, if anything, is supposed to be so good about it?
Peace on one hand, greater power for the government than for any single corporation on the other...Justice on the other... Criminals would have no place to escape.

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What - loosely - kinds of government would be acceptable? Or is this for another thread?
Certainly for another thread
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I dont suggest to get ridden of the diversities of the human [ which are more of a physical type ] . I am trying to suggest a way where we learn to live with a mutual respect and cooperation, where we can live with our diversities present and still learn to compromise .
How does that fit with the following?
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One govt . , One philosophy , one religion [ or no religion] , one political view is what I imagine as an utopia[ and would always dream for it]
You advocate diveresity but at the same time says it is desirable we all think the same way?
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I started such a thread about world government.


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Not a cleptocracy, a nazi dictatorship, a british ir usanian empire of course.



The closest we could to a direct democracy with sociliast leanings... Maybe like Switzerland... Maybe like New Zealand... Not really sure but I know for certain that Northern Europe are the best governments in the world at the time being.



Peace on one hand, greater power for the government than for any single corporation on the other...Justice on the other... Criminals would have no place to escape.



Certainly for another thread
Most countries in northern Europe are not that big, so that may be one reason they work as they do.
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