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Old November 17th, 2012, 11:34 AM   #171
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Do you see any contradiction in those two sentences you quoted?


Beckmann, J.P. 2002. Changing dynamics of a population of black bears (Ursus americanus): causes and consequences. Ph.D. dissertation. University of Nevada, Reno

Beckmann, J. P. and J. Berger. 2003a. Using black bears to test ideal-free distribution
models experimentally. Journal of Mammalogy

American Black Bear (Ursa americana Pallas) From: Saunders, D. A. 1988. Adirondack Mammals. State University of New York, College of Environmental Science and Forestry. 216pp. and Sage, R.W., Jr., and S. Simek. 1994. Adirondack Black Bears. State University of New York, College of Environmental Science and Forestry, Environmental Information Series

Pelletier, A., M. E. Obbard, K. Mills, E. J. Howe, F. G. Burrows, B. N. White and C. J. Kyle. 2012. Delineating genetic groupings in continuously distributed species across largely homogeneous landscapes: a study of American black bears (Ursus americanus) in Ontario, Canada. Canadian Journal of Zoology 90: 999-1014

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Name is the most important part of description.


We do rely on colour, you are safe.
If I would have seen any contradiction, I would have duly noted it.

You must be kidding me.
Any number of poorly chosen red herring references would be equally irrelevant here.
The only scientific name (not vulgar name) of the American Black bear is Ursus americanus.
The only scientific name (not vulgar name) of the Asian Black bear is Ursus thibetanus.
I'm pretty sure you can't find the word "black" within any of both scientific names.
Period.

And of course, it would still just be a name, which BTW could or could not be part of any description, and could also be entirely irrelevant (or even contradictory) for any description, like the Shakesperian Rose by any another name, or let say the "enemy of the people" of the Stalinist era.

And of course, for any bizarre reason it is you who may rely in color on the OP; such reliance couldn't be any farther from "safe" by any standard.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #172
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It is called identity.
Amen.

And it is fundamentally culture, not biology.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #173

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Amen.

And it is fundamentally culture, not biology.
It is identity based on biology. You know, neither culture, nor identity exist on its own.
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It is identity based on biology. You know, neither culture, nor identity exist on its own.
Why not???

In any case, their biological identity is already well known:
Homo sapiens sapiens
At least for absolutely each & any human of the last millennia.
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If I would have seen any contradiction, I would have duly noted it.
Than thanks for reposting me and spreading message around

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You must be kidding me.
Any number of poorly chosen red herring references would be equally irrelevant here.
The only scientific name (not vulgar name) of the American Black bear is Ursus americanus.
I am not sure what wind mills are you fighting. You claimed that:
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Pretending to "describe" nature just from your superficial impression of the color of the human skin couldn't be any more unscientifically fighting against it
And you were completely wrong. Science happily use colour to describe nature. No amount or smiles or red fish is gone change that. Science did not read declaration of independence either

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And of course, it would still just be a name, which BTW could or could not be part of any description, and could also be entirely irrelevant (or even contradictory) for any description, like the Shakesperian Rose by any another name, or let say the "enemy of the people" of the Stalinist era.
Name is absolutely crucial for any description because it identify object or subject you describe. Describing any object or subject without naming it makes description very difficult.

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And of course, for any bizarre reason it is you who may rely in color on the OP; such reliance couldn't be any farther from "safe" by any standard.
Yep, that is why we still use black and white TV ...wait, do we???
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Why not???
I do not know why. It does not.

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In any case, their biological identity is already well known:
Homo sapiens sapiens
At least for absolutely each & any human of the last millennia.
Homo sapiens sapiens is just part of our biological identity.
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I do not know why. It does not.


Homo sapiens sapiens is just part of our biological identity.
Homo sapiens sapiens is just our biological identity; not that anyone could do anything about it, of course.


Anything aside of changing names, of course.
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Homo sapiens sapiens is just our biological identity; not that anyone could do anything about it, of course.
Been part of identity and been identity is something different. Homo sapiens sapiens is clearly only part of our biological identity.
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Been part of identity and been identity is something different. Homo sapiens sapiens is clearly only part of our biological identity.
Yup, if you may like to go beyond the molecular DNA, bone marrow HLA antigens, and fingerprints level of identity; admittedly, not even monozygotic twins are identical.
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Yup, if you may like to go beyond the molecular DNA, bone marrow HLA antigens, and fingerprints level of identity; admittedly, not even monozygotic twins are identical.
If that is all your biological identity than I am not sure in what parallel universe are you living because it is not where rest of us do.
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