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View Poll Results: Race, ethnicity or species?
Race 9 32.14%
Ethnicity 18 64.29%
Species 1 3.57%
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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #201

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Considering that according to the United Nations conventions what the terms racial discrimination actually means, it's clearly an ethnicity. Though the vocabularies could include outdated meaning of this term.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #202
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I am not sure but do you realise you just recognized that "racial differences" exist? Which makes you racist bye the way Welcome!

There is enough physical difference between people and is distributed in such a way that people noticed it and gave it the names. And while it is primarily based on physiology, it actually goes deeper than skin in some instances. Like for example alcohol resistance or disposition to certain illnesses.
You know, this pervasive fallacy of pretending to reverse 360 the very core meaning of racism couldn't be any more incredibly absurd.

One of the main basis of Racism is precisely pretending to find human varieties to discriminate where there are most objectively none.

Exactly the kind of varieties that you and others here have been for any reason so obsessively and futilely trying to find.

As anyone here could easily verify, of course; certainly you too.

Nope, as you surely already know incoherent verbosity is not evidence; it's just a cheap fallacy (Argumentum verbosium)

Nope, as you surely already know too fallacious bare denial (even ad infinitum) is not going to change the facts an inch either.

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sylla1, repeating words "fallacy", "absurd", "incredibly" several time over with any number of adjectives does not replace arguments which are completely absent in your post.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:11 AM   #204

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[sic] Yup, your post #165 in this same thread.
You're still using [sic] wrong.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:29 AM   #205

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Doctor, cure yourself.
Can you show where I've suggested I hate other races? I thought not.

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Not to mention an obsessively feared nightmare for some people, yup. So under some bizarre idea each and any "race" would be just a series of clones?

Some biology insight never ceases to impress me.
Me too, given that I didn't say that. You're not one to shy away from a straw man though, evidently.

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The existence or absence of biological races within modern humans is simply an objective fact of life.
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a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
Please choose a side and stick to it, sylla. Your constant flip-flopping makes me wonder if you're running for office.

Do certain groups of humans not share distinctive physical traits, sylla? Do the French look like the Chinese? Do the native Americans look like sub-Saharan Africans? Do the Eskimos look like Indians?

Do you know why they don't? Because they are of groups that share certain distinctive physical traits that are not the same as other groups. That's all race is. Is it really that hard?

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You know, for some elementary stuff, even Wikipedia could be a perfectly valid tertiary source:


The quite relevant primary scholar sources of this Wiki-passage are listed here Race (human classification) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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It is demonstrated that race has no biological or genetic basis: gross morphological features which traditionally has been defined as races (e.g. skin color) are determined by non-significant and superficial genetic alleles with no link to any characteristics, such as intelligence, talent, athletic ability, etc
It's lucky that we're only talking about superficial physical characteristics then, isn't it? Nobody has made any kind of judgements about intellect, skills, or physical ability. You're the one who brought that up. Why did you? We're just talking about appearance.

It speaks volumes about your own insecurities that you need to bring this up when we are simply talking about the way people look.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:12 AM   #206

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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:24 PM   #207
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You think colour blind people get far in these? Lol


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I am not sure but do you realise you just recognized that "racial differences" exist? Which makes you racist bye the way Welcome!
You know that when you say "so-called" before something it means that you believe said something is a misnomer? Don't you? Oh well, of course you dont know! You wouldn't be saying I recognized such kraap as racial differences if it werent because you dont know how the hyphenated word "so-called" operates on what follows it!

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There is enough physical difference between people and is distributed in such a way that people noticed it and gave it the names.
The physical differences people claim to recognize as that kraap called "race" vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, sometimes from individual to individual... You have failed to answer my claims on this matter...

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And while it is primarily based on physiology, it actually goes deeper than skin in some instances. Like for example alcohol resistance or disposition to certain illnesses.
1.Physiology always goes deeper than skin

2.I already gave you an article that addresses the medical fallacy of races being truthful...
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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #208

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Academia did not read declaration of Independence?

Common, people do not have to agree on everything, do they?
Damn, and i read the damn thing and i was not supposed to do that? Why didn't I get the memo?

Yes, common people have to agree on everything, hence we call them the common people. Come on, you knew that.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #209

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You think colour blind people get far in these? Lol
I am absolutely sure. They use these things every day. I know few of them.

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You know that when you say "so-called" before something it means that you believe said something is a misnomer? Don't you? Oh well, of course you dont know! You wouldn't be saying I recognized such kraap as racial differences if it werent because you dont know how the hyphenated word "so-called" operates on what follows it!
So if those "racial differences" are not called "racial differences" but let say "different racials" it does not make you recognize them? You just claimed they are skin deep and you identified them as "so called racial differences". Well call them as you want, it does not matter to me so long as they are "skin deep"

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The physical differences people claim to recognize as that kraap called "race" vary from ethnicity to ethnicity, sometimes from individual to individual... You have failed to answer my claims on this matter...
I have to disappoint you. While they do indeed vary, they wary small enough for anybody to recognize them on sight. Women breasts also vary, yet nobody fails to recognize woman, when one see her. Safe few unfortunate exceptions. But exceptions reinforce rule.

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1.Physiology always goes deeper than skin
That is not surprising given psychology is not material

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2.I already gave you an article that addresses the medical fallacy of races being truthful...
And I gave you definition of race from online etymology dictionary. Pretty surprising for something that does not exist eh? And if you still in doubt, you can always go back to very good definition of race silla1 provided so kindly. And which I can't but happily recommend. And you can not suspect him of sympathy
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Old November 19th, 2012, 03:15 PM   #210

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Damn, and i read the damn thing and i was not supposed to do that? Why didn't I get the memo?
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Yes, common people have to agree on everything, hence we call them the common people. Come on, you knew that.
While common is indeed based on come on, it have nothing to do with agree
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