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View Poll Results: Race, ethnicity or species?
Race 9 32.14%
Ethnicity 18 64.29%
Species 1 3.57%
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Old November 16th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #41
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Language (any language) has a single primary function: communication.

If anyone may insist in using objectively utterly imprecise terms (especially when perfectly valid alternatives are perfectly available) what one gets is not communication; it's confusion.
Period.

Regarding any extremely sensible social issue (let say anything borderline any social discrimination) any such confusion couldn't be any worst scenario.

Especially if as it is so usual the case all around this poor Planet any such confusing term may be often deliberately used to try to disguise any supremacist or discriminatory agenda.

Plainly, I can't understand the problem of calling "things" the things, and "ethnicities" any ethnicites.

If anyone may even remotely consider the own duty to make any overtly arbitary prejudicial irrational unscientific distinction between human individuals, the less that one can ask for is some clarity.

Just IMHO.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #42

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Perhaps a better understanding of some key notions like: "races", "subraces", "mixed races","mixed subraces" is needed?
So a white woman with brown hair and brown eyes is a sub-race of a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes?
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Perhaps a better understanding of some key notions like: "races", "subraces", "mixed races","mixed subraces" is needed?
At least as applied to modern humans, all these terms are unscientific potentially offensive and quite likely discriminatory jargon.

In fact, it's extremely hard to imagine any non-discriminatory use of the nice term "mixed subraces" out of non-human biology.

Regarding modern humans, it's hard to imagine why would any more understanding on most of these terms would be actually needed out of some rather specialized research fields.

Let say an anthropological analysis of the III Reich.
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So a white woman with brown hair and brown eyes is a sub-race of a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes?
Why do you think that both have white skin, but their hair and eyes colour is different? What makes them so?
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At least as applied to modern humans, all these terms are unscientific potentially offensive and quite likely discriminatory jargon.

In fact, it's extremely hard to imagine any non-discriminatory use of the nice term "mixed subraces" out of non-human biology.

Regarding modern humans, it's hard to imagine why would any more understanding on most of these terms would be actually needed out of some rather specialized research fields.

Let say an anthropological analysis of the III Reich.
Yep, what the world needs is some more definitions to segregate people into even more groups of 'us' and 'them'..... (of course, I am being completely facetious!)
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Why do you think that both have white skin, but their hair and eyes colour is different? What makes them so?
The level of average solar exposition prevalent in the predominant habitat of the last generations of their ancestry for some millennia.
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Why do you think that both have white skin, but their hair and eyes colour is different? What makes them so?
Certainly not because they are a sub species! It is just geneitcs plain and simple. What do you think makes you what you are? Could you be a sub-species of someone better?

Seriously, Sylla is right, we are all human and the sooner we let go of this superiority complex that we are all different, the better.

What we need is some freaky aliens to land - the word race as defined here would be binned within seconds! lol
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At least as applied to modern humans, all these terms are unscientific potentially offensive and quite likely discriminatory jargon.
The whole point of words is to discriminate between objects, events and concepts.

When we are discussing race, we're trying to appreciate the differences between the races, not denigrate them.

I have yet to see a Historumite actually be racist, but the way you go on about it, you'd think this was a neo-Nazi forum and you're the only modern, liberally-minded person here.

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In fact, it's extremely hard to imagine any non-discriminatory use of the nice term "mixed subraces" out of non-human biology.
I agree that 'subraces' is unnecessary.

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Regarding modern humans, it's hard to imagine why would any more understanding on most of these terms would be actually needed out of some rather specialized research fields.
Modern humans are still subject to categories of race. The only difference between now and then is that we don't actively discriminate against people because of them (in theory).

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Let say an anthropological analysis of the III Reich.
Nice try, Godwin.
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Seriously, Sylla is right, we are all human and the sooner we let go of this superiority complex that we are all different, the better.
NO! This is the kind of Orwellian double-think that repulses me. I'd much rather accept people for who and what they are without judgement than for us all to collectively pretend that we're all identical, because then we have made progress, and until then we're living a shared delusion.

Also, there is no superiority complex here.
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The whole point of words is to discriminate between objects, events and concepts.

When we are discussing race, we're trying to appreciate the differences between the races, not denigrate them.

I have yet to see a Historumite actually be racist, but the way you go on about it, you'd think this was a neo-Nazi forum and you're the only modern, liberally-minded person here.



I agree that 'subraces' is unnecessary.



Modern humans are still subject to categories of race. The only difference between now and then is that we don't actively discriminate against people because of them (in theory).



Nice try, Godwin.
Glad you were finally able to make a question even remotely related with the OP; thumbs up.

Actually Godwin's law or reductio ad Hitlerum applies exclusively when the comparison is fallaciously irrelevant or unjustified, certainly not the case here by any standard, as anyone could easily verify.

Naturally, you don't expect poor ol' me to arrogantly pretend to convince you about such an evident fact, huh?

Or of any of the other elementary scientific facts described here absolutely discrediting racism, for that matter.
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