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View Poll Results: Should there be separation of church and state?
Yes 50 89.29%
No 2 3.57%
Neither 4 7.14%
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Old November 20th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #51

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Well there is that I suppose. And standards are certainly fine. If their adhered to and or endorsed to a reasonable level for all students given the diversities of your cultures. But those pesky unions (we don't have them in Skyrim) seem more interested in perpetuation their own bureaucracies and existence perks and pensions then servicing their members. Though they do certainly represent a bold front, if not necessarily truthful, in their proclaimed desire to seek the best for their students.



Though in fairness we do have a tenure system of sorts.


It's based on whose best with an ax or sword. Now he get 's the big bucks and girlies.



It's an excellent incentive for others to step up and show real production of effort.

As for separation of church and state? Well probably a good thing in the end. We Nords tend to take religion pretty serious and we don't like the Jarls telling us what to eat or drink or who to date. But their smart enough and I'm smart enough to realize somethings are better suited for the individual to determine and not to be forced on the collective.


And thank you for responding to my comment. It was kind of you to recognize a new guy.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:36 PM   #52

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What do you think?
Except in the UK, yes.

Also take note; I don't see how we can have separation between state and church in a government if you have to pass a religious test to get in that government.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:27 AM   #53

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You can separate Church and State, but you can't separate the person from his religion. A politicians moral compass, which is very often based on their religion, is a fundamental part of the person and the choices they make.

So, what do you do about that? Take into account their religious beliefs when you vote for them? Of course you do. And with that religion becomes part of the political process.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:47 AM   #54

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Don’t feel bad. While we here have this so-called secular government and a constitutionally enshrined separation of church and state, the reality is far less ideal. While none of the various xtian churches has an official role in government, a cursory perusal of American newspapers will tell you that the religious right-wing I highly influential in politics. Rarely does a politician speak out against their attempts to put us squarely back into the dark ages with their insistence that creationism is a sciene and evolution a mere theory. Or that women are to be treated as chattel since allowing them autonomy over their own bodies would be akin to blasphemy.

Truly, s secular country would be nice to live in. The US is just pretending to be one at this point.
Oh yes, I know that religion is far more "informally" influential in America than Britain, but at least your constitution shows you have a society which is trying to do the right thing, and as long as the hard-line religious right don't do anything illegal, then their attempts to exert influence through the democratic process is fine. They're just using channels (e.g. lobbying) that are available to other religions and the non-religious too.

America's a good case study for secular government actually being good for religions as well as the state. American Christianity is much more successful than British Christianity, perhaps because no church ever had the privilege of being "established", so they all stayed lean and hungry and marketed themselves aggressively. The danger then comes that, because the religious see their religion being so popular, they start trying to change the constitution to get themselves recognised as officially priviliged (I think that's happening in some quarters already: there are American evangelicals who openly talk about turning America into a theocracy!) In doing this, they are attacking not only the basis of their own religious freedoms, but the basis of the very success that encourages them to do this!
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I'll believe the USA has finally achieved separation of church and state when no presidential candidate campaigns on religiously motivated policies and a non-Christian becomes POTUS but it's not considered an issue.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 04:47 AM   #56

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I'll believe the USA has finally achieved separation of church and state when no presidential candidate campaigns on religiously motivated policies and a non-Christian becomes POTUS but it's not considered an issue.
I would give it two to five decades.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 05:06 AM   #57

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Yes.
But growing up in a Catholic school helped me to care about my fellow human beings.

I am not even religious.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:38 AM   #58
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Yes.
But growing up in a Catholic school helped me to care about my fellow human beings.

I am not even religious.
Growing up in a secular birtish school helped me care about my fellow human beings... Then I switched to a catholic school (run by Jesuits) and I found the most selfish men of all (the most religious too): One of them gave some charity to some beggar and immediatly turned his face to the heavens and praying says "thank god for making beggars so I can do charity for them and get a place in the heavens" (I am translating, and paraphrasing, but that is the spirit of his words, I called him on his selfishness because he was not ashamed to do it in front of bunch of friends that were hanging out with him and it wasn't until I point it up to him that he realized how selfish he was)
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Bwah! Centrix Vigillis... still rolling in the peyote.
This guy is a moderator on another history site. He really should know better.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 09:48 AM   #60

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I would give it two to five decades.
It's been 50 years since JFK and his religion was an issue, and today it
is still a Swiss-army knife blade to use when scare tactics are needed.
But hopefully you're eventually right.
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