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Old November 20th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #1

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Where did the Universe come from


i was hoping we could get a ball rolling here on what we think about how everything started.

the big bang is the currently accepted idea of how the universe was created and right before it went all matter in existence was concentrated down into a palm sized ball before exploding out beginning space and time. yet where the matter came from or how it blew scientists honestly have no clue. some will say that god created the big bang yet it then becomes a question of where did god come from, did he create himself which is hard to get around as wouldn't he have to first exist to do that.

current scientific theory is that of string theory and of a multiverse in which there is an infinite number of other universes. the idea is that when these universes collide or split that is what cases the big bang. yet if that's so then aren't we just deferring the problem of where everything came from. at some point something must have come from nothing which seems just as impossible as believing there was always something that existed.

a good metaphor of this is a rabbit being pulled out of hat almost like magic. we posses an uncanny desire to know how the trick was done. how is it the magician was able to pull a rabbit out of nothing. think of the rabbit as the universe and all the little fleas on it are us who now must ask where it all came from.

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Our categories for existence and non-existence stop making any sense without the object they're based on.

So, this question doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a strictly rational perspective.
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Our categories for existence and non-existence stop making any sense without the object they're based on.

So, this question doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a strictly rational perspective.
how so, its a perfectly reasonable question that people have always wondered at. we'll likely never know the truth yet that should not stop us from wondering.

years ago most people thought the earth was the center of the universe with us as a special place in a divine plan of existence. yet now we know its only in a galaxy which is among billions of others in a universe incomprehensibly big with everything seemingly coming about solely from cause and effect. we seem to be nothing more then accidents of nature so why then is everything the way it is and what part of any do we have in it.
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Like all other honest people out there, all I can honestly say is: I don't know
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #6

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Like all other honest people out there, all I can honestly say is: I don't know
well based on what we do know or the theories out there what do you think?

an interesting video here, long i know but worth it as it covers some very interesting points about the fine-tuning argument which is that the laws of nature in our universe are so fundamentally spot on in allowing anything to exists that it leaves to my mind only two possibilities, either there is a multiverse and we happen to be living in the one that is just right or there is a creator. i say creator here and not god because there could be a lot more to the idea of creation which you will see if you watch the full video
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I don't know if you have ever read Hawkings Grand Design but he brings up some pretty wild possibilities.

Frankly I would like to think there is a creator of some sort as that would be so much simpler for my human mind which is always seeking a singular and easily understandable solution to these kinds of questions; sadly I think it is likely more complex than that.
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I don't know if you have ever read Hawkings Grand Design but he brings up some pretty wild possibilities.

Frankly I would like to think there is a creator of some sort as that would be so much simpler for my human mind which is always seeking a singular and easily understandable solution to these kinds of questions; sadly I think it is likely more complex than that.
a creator would certainly be easier for our minds to accept as its a very straight forwards answer. the fine tuning of the universe to such precise numbers that were some off by 1% then nothing would exist is enough to make one believe an intelligent creature was behind it, either that or an infinite amount of universes

for those interested here some videos that can really fuel your imagination.
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Whether you are talking about God creating the Universe or the Big Bang it still comes down to something creating itself.
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We dont know, probaly in just 100 years
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