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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:47 PM   #11
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Seems as good an explanation as any. The problem is that the Church insist that the trinity is a mystery and any explanation is heresy.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 09:28 AM   #12

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Isis, Osiris and Horus were three different deities, not a trinity.

Oh really? Maybe a bit more research into mythological systems would help you here. Isis-Osiris-Horus was only one of the many embodiments of sacred trinities or triune gods.

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The concept of 'mother/maiden/crone' was invented by Robert Graves in the 20th Century. It is not a trinity, and it did not exist in antiquity. There is no 'ancient concept of the triune goddess.' There is nothing remotely ancient about it.
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That goes straight into the 'so what?' basket.
Just because Graves made it an academic pursuit to follow the Virgin-Mother-Crone trinity found in so many religious systems does not mean he invented it, he merely wrote about an established pattern.
You can throw anything that collides with your religious beliefs into a “so what basket” if you want, it doesn’t change anything. And regarding just one instance of a divine trinity in antiquity: Hebe-Hera-Hecate. Or do you prefer: Shamas-Sin-Ishtar?
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No, it is not.


Yes, it is common.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:56 AM   #13

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I assert that the godhead must be a Quatrain. Three dimensions are meaningless without time, four dimensions are necessary!
You bring a good point, the possible fourth dimension, which by the way is a an hypothesis since time may not exist. Now if the three are the Trinity no need to say whom the fourth would be so far as Christianity is concerned.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 11:32 AM   #14

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I am convinced that is how the Trinity in Christianity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) came into being.

In other words, God exists only because of these borders made by dots, which doesn't even exist as such. The Holy Spirit isn't God, nor is the Son itself God, nor is the Father the God. It is the very Trinity as a whole which makes up God.
My own understanding of the situation is that faced with the Arians, the Orthodox didn't want to accept that the Son was less than the Father. Then they later decided to throw in the Holy Spirit for good measure. Then they declared it a holy mystery because it didn't make any sense.

I suppose I'm a cynic, but I don't think it had anything to do with dots--just a lot of guys arguing about something that nobody knew anything about.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 12:41 PM   #15

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I am by no means an expert, but it was explained to me like this:

An egg has three distinct parts:
Yolk
White
Shell
but it all equals one egg.

God is three persons:
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
but it all equals one God. Another thing we have to think about is the finiteness of our own ability to observe. If a two dimensional stick figure were to encounter a three dimensional figure, it would be incomprehensible to him. The three dimensional figure would have to describe himself to the other in ways the two d figure could understand.
A great book on the subject is flatland. A truly entertaining story even if you are not into it's nuances.

P.S:A great theory and post philosopher.
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Interesting theory.

@Rasta, couldn't the fourth dimension be discarded if we think of God as eternal (timeless)?
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 01:16 PM   #17

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Oh really? Maybe a bit more research into mythological systems would help you here. Isis-Osiris-Horus was only one of the many embodiments of sacred trinities or triune gods.


Just because Graves made it an academic pursuit to follow the Virgin-Mother-Crone trinity found in so many religious systems does not mean he invented it, he merely wrote about an established pattern.
You can throw anything that collides with your religious beliefs into a “so what basket” if you want, it doesn’t change anything. And regarding just one instance of a divine trinity in antiquity: Hebe-Hera-Hecate. Or do you prefer: Shamas-Sin-Ishtar?


Yes, it is common.
Sources, please, to prove your assertion. He is correct about Graves, your sources to prove otherwise?
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 02:45 PM   #18

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Interesting theory.

@Rasta, couldn't the fourth dimension be discarded if we think of God as eternal (timeless)?
Being timeless does not mean without time. But rather God being omnipresent is at all points of the time line. Hence, He's the beginning and the end. (Actually the real meaning is without beginning nor end, I guess a sort of circular time).
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Sources, please, to prove your assertion. He is correct about Graves, your sources to prove otherwise?
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The Holy Trinity is the One God, like a good father of a family is a doctor by profession, a husband to a wife and daddy to his kids and oftentimes the chauffeur of the family. Akin to role playing but, yeah, a mystery.
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