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Old November 22nd, 2012, 03:06 PM   #21
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 03:52 PM   #22

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Actually I'm looking for Silkroad to reference his assertions about Graves' concept of the maiden,mother,crone, in that they are an ancient, common mother goddess triune. He did mention Shama, Sin and Ishtar. I know there have been other triads, if not in the Christin sense. But thanks for your help.
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Actually I'm looking for Silkroad to reference his assertions about Graves' concept of the maiden,mother,crone, in that they are an ancient, common mother goddess triune. He did mention Shama, Sin and Ishtar. I know there have been other triads, if not in the Christin sense. But thanks for your help.
Artemis (especially of Ephesus) seemed to be both a virgin and mother-having many breasts which symbolize her fertility. Not sure about crone though.
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Sources, please, to prove your assertion. He is correct about Graves, your sources to prove otherwise?

Do you want me to source the various trinities in different mythologies? Then just read them. Or, do you want me to quote sources that pre-date Graves use of the concept “Virgin-Mother-Crone”?
Surely, trinities such as Hinduism’s Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer pre-date Graves.

Let’s remember that I mentioned the V-M-C trinity only as one of many and certainly not as the only possible pre-cursor to the xtian model of the God-Spirit-Savior model. This is akin to the Egyptian model and the Babylonian trinity also pre-dates xtian ideas.

Concerning Graves, his scholarship regarding the White Goddess is based on authors who lived before him and his discovery of a pattern in Greek mythology does not mean he created that pattern either.

What then would you like me to source? Graves research? Greek and Sumerian, Babylonian, or maybe ancient Arab traditions concerning the trinity of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat?

Start with Briffault, Robert. The Mothers. NY: McMillan 1927. He pre-dates Graves by close to 30 years.
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I am by no means an expert, but it was explained to me like this:

An egg has three distinct parts:
Yolk
White
Shell
but it all equals one egg.

God is three persons:
Father
Son
Holy Spirit
but it all equals one God. [...]
It seems it was not very correctly explained to you, because the Triune God is meant to be undivided and without parts, the Persons are meant to be consubstantial etc. It is impossible to find correct analogies for the Holy Trinity, and in what I am concerned, I see no points in trying to make such analogies.
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The Holy Trinity is the One God, like a good father of a family is a doctor by profession, a husband to a wife and daddy to his kids and oftentimes the chauffeur of the family. Akin to role playing but, yeah, a mystery.
Neither this analogy is correct, in fact it looks more like the heresy of Sabellius
Sabellianism Sabellianism
, which is anathematized by the Holy Church.
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It seems it was not very correctly explained to you, because the Triune God is meant to be undivided and without parts, the Persons are meant to be consubstantial etc. It is impossible to find correct analogies for the Holy Trinity, and in what I am concerned, I see no points in trying to make such analogies.
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Neither this analogy is correct, in fact it looks more like the heresy of Sabellius Sabellianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which is anathematized by the Holy Church.
This is what I love about discussions about the Trinity: you can't say a thing without being declared a heretic.
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This is what I love about discussions about the Trinity: you can't say a thing without being declared a heretic.
From a strictly religious point of view, and if you express unorthodox opinions, yes, because faith is not a matter of opinion. But as long as someone obstinately refuses to obey the teachings of the Holy Church, and wishes to be separated from her, I don't understand why that person would care.
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Neither this analogy is correct, in fact it looks more like the heresy of Sabellius Sabellianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which is anathematized by the Holy Church.
It's just an explanation with the intention to make an example of which, but, I know that it's beyond me. I just believe in the Holy Trinity.
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From a strictly religious point of view, and if you express unorthodox opinions, yes, because faith is not a matter of opinion. But as long as someone obstinately refuses to obey the teachings of the Holy Church, and wishes to be separated from her, I don't understand why that person would care.
Because Holy Churches have a way of setting up Holy Inquisitions.
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