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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:23 AM   #21
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Exactly. Capitalism has to be regulated in order for it to work. The trick is getting the right amount of regulation.
The only way to regulate capitalism properly is by having the government to (purely pro forma) holding ownership of the means of production.

The means of production should then be leased to private companies.

This is not capitalism, but neither is it communism.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #22

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If the elite is going to take up arms, that's not my responsibility. That would be ANTI-democratic rebellion. We have perfectly legal UN-approved means to deal with this. If some of them die in battle, then thats their own fault. THEY choose to take up arms and THEY choose to break the Constitution.
What Constitution? How would a Constitution come into being that strips the elite of their wealth and exiles them from a country?
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Exactly. That's why I point at the wealthy members of society as the true evils of society.
Do they even deserve the same human rights as the working class?
But back to one of my ignored earlier points. What would motivate
anyone to put in the effort to better their lives? To become 'wealthy'
in your fantasy society, would be working towards disaster.
The owners of businesses employ workers, to judo chop them on the
neck would cause them to invest less and hire less. Sounds like the
cure would kill the patient.
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What Constitution? How would a Constitution come into being that strips the elite of their wealth and exiles them from a country?
The Danish constition bans armed uprising. It is, according to the Danish constitution legal for the government to ban all organizations who are inciting rebellion.

As for confiscating assets, it can be done through our Section 73 of the Danish Constitution of 1953 which allows for expropriation for the greater well-being of the state and common good.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #25

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The only way to regulate capitalism properly is by having the government to (purely pro forma) holding ownership of the means of production.

The means of production should then be leased to private companies.

This is not capitalism, but neither is it communism.
That would be letting a person with a drug problem work in a pharmacy.
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That would be letting a person with a drug problem work in a pharmacy.
The government is NOT going to work with their own means of production. The private companies are.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:32 AM   #27

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The Danish constition bans armed uprising. It is, according to the Danish constitution legal for the government to ban all organizations who are inciting rebellion.

As for confiscating assets, it can be done through our Section 73 of the Danish Constitution of 1953 which allows for expropriation for the greater well-being of the state and common good.
Well, I won't argue with you about Danish law. It's your country, you guys do with it what you please.
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Well, I won't argue with you about Danish law. It's your country, you guys do with it what you please.

It should be done through perfectly democratic and lawful processes, and hopefully peacefully. I don't want a civil war.

But if the elite is going to make a coup'd etat in case their luxurious life is limited, nobody can prevent that. Then, and only then, a civil war is inevitable.

But then I'm not the one starting it. It is the sole responsibility of the elite who wish to fight it with anti-democratic and illegal means.
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I don't mean to bandy words, but America was based on the ideals of a republic. But I do think that democracy is hypocritical. The tyranny of the majority should be protected against.

Are you thinking of a specific example about the hypocrisy in America? I would be interested to know.
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But back to one of my ignored earlier points. What would motivate
anyone to put in the effort to better their lives? To become 'wealthy'
in your fantasy society, would be working towards disaster.
The owners of businesses employ workers, to judo chop them on the
neck would cause them to invest less and hire less. Sounds like the
cure would kill the patient.
Indeed. It is regrettable that we seem to be in a anti-wealth cycle and that is part of the reason so many can only see disaster at the end of the road. "Crabs in a bucket". Those that can afford too, aren't going to stick around or leave their assets within easy grabbing distance where it's not appreciated and why should they! Unfortunately, those that do stick around aren't doing so out of their own personal altruistic conscience. They aren't creating wealth as far as i know. It appears they only see an opportunity to conduct their own social experiments by calling it charitable work while the societies in which they live slide closer to anarchy and we seem to lap up their every word.
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