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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #11
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I don't use very much L33t or whatever, I prefer to use English unlike my friends. Although my speaking skills are atrocious, I'm a decent writer.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #12

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Not quite answering the question, but the other day I was reading an article about our youths language (here in Germany). I didn't even know most of the expressions yet alone what they mean. It kind of made me feel old!!
Sometimes when I listen to young people from America speak I get sick of hearing the same word over and over again. It's like.. We're like... Like, what... Like, like, like.
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How important is it for young people to have proficient language skills today? Are young people speaking better or worse than generations from a few decades ago?

Wese young peoples is torking ze Inglish fine innit
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Sometimes when I listen to young people from America speak I get sick of hearing the same word over and over again. It's like.. We're like... Like, what... Like, like, like.
Ah! Like, i thought "Like" was the proper way to begin sentences and end them with "you know", you know?
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Ah! Like, i thought "Like" was the proper way to begin sentences and end them with "you know", you know?
I can't find the article any more, but I was reading about some who only try to improve when they want to get into good universities. I think it may be somewhat hard by that age.
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I don't think the use of language is best or worst than before. It's just different. Language adapts to whatever the hell you prioritize in your life. Elites and well doers are always going to have to express their minds in the most fanciful terms, be it because of social pressure or their fields of interest.
On the other hand, commoners like you and me are always going to be victims of the school systems, parenthood and physical surroundings. Take my grandfather at my age, who unloaded crates at the port and then took on the job of fireman; while he didn't really go to school and didn't have access to tools like internet or dictionaries, he learned the language through the rest of the community, like the neighborhood or family, agents who perpetuate language, culture and rituals.
Today there's less emphasis on community and family (both units are breaking down big time), and more on the abstract delightful world of the internet. While a ton of tools to learn new words unimaginable by my grandfather are available, no one is really on there trying to find a better way to express their minds clearly.
Is that necessarily bad? I don't think it's bad that people learn vocabulary and language on the internet, if only people could talk about something else than cells phones, parties and bra's.

In the end, how you talk and how you define words is always going to be a result of your visions and goals in life.
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In the end, how you talk and how you define words is always going to be a result of your visions and goals in life.
More likely it will be the result of whom you surround yourself with.
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I don't think the use of language is best or worst than before. It's just different. Language adapts to whatever the hell you prioritize in your life. Elites and well doers are always going to have to express their minds in the most fanciful terms, be it because of social pressure or their fields of interest.
On the other hand, commoners like you and me are always going to be victims of the school systems, parenthood and physical surroundings. Take my grandfather at my age, who unloaded crates at the port and then took on the job of fireman; while he didn't really go to school and didn't have access to tools like internet or dictionaries, he learned the language through the rest of the community, like the neighborhood or family, agents who perpetuate language, culture and rituals.
Today there's less emphasis on community and family (both units are breaking down big time), and more on the abstract delightful world of the internet. While a ton of tools to learn new words unimaginable by my grandfather are available, no one is really on there trying to find a better way to express their minds clearly.
Is that necessarily bad? I don't think it's bad that people learn vocabulary and language on the internet, if only people could talk about something else than cells phones, parties and bra's.

In the end, how you talk and how you define words is always going to be a result of your visions and goals in life.
Good point. While today's youth have an abundance of tools, they have a lot more freedom due to family separations, which produces divisions in communities, so young people us the tools irresponsibly. This would, however, be a major shift in language acquisition from past generations. While commoners in the past were victims of education and community trends, young people today are unrestrictedly learning from each other, which would not put emphasis on articulate language acquisition. Rather, the priority lies in acquisition for the sake of socializing here and now.

To summarize, there is very little reason to enhance language because it is not needed for the surrounding short term goals.

What we have to ask about now is about youth who set their sights on longer term goals. The fact that they have a great deal of resources means they can learn far more, but will this segregate them from their friends and peers?
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I agree that language is evolutionary. This leads to the idea that a sub-culture language could be developed. It is inevitable that this too will change.
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