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View Poll Results: What is most important to you, in regards to human qualities?
Wealth and productivity 7 25.00%
Compassion, sympathy and niceness 21 75.00%
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:15 AM   #41
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Move over, ya'll. I'm sittin' with this guy. Well said, John Paul.
"Know thyself". Socrates's remark that "the unexamined life is not worth living" doesn't carry a death sentence any more. Thanks for your comment, Spartacuss. I wrote that all by myself on my Laptop and a large wide screen monitor, and I'll drink to all the above. Oh wait....
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Old December 13th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #42
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Placing love and compassion over material possessions and overall personal goals is part and parcel if you're going to be serious about being Buddhist; besides, I'd rather have people like me for my personal qualities than my checking account or how many cars I drive.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #43

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I wonder how many members here would actually follow through with their statements if opportunity presented itself....could you really turn down wealth if offered to you ?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #44

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I wonder how many members here would actually follow through with their statements if opportunity presented itself....could you really turn down wealth if offered to you ?
Speaking as a less-than successful musician, I'd probably sell out in a heartbeat, given the opportunity
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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #45

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I go with compassion and may be people could call it hypocrisy and sure in one form ,it is.
It is generally a carried notion[ in my civilization] from centuries that material or physical attractions and possessions like beauty or wealth are subsidiary to the abstract or non-physical perceptions like wisdom , kind hearted etc.
Even most of the prophets [ or religions ] try yo underline these aspects in the humankind and stress upon the humans to be more compassionate about their fellow-beings .
Though I am not affiliated to any religion and in deed , not interested in Godly affairs and like myself to be called a materialist or a hedonist , I sincerely feel life [ to be more precise , human life ] is always not just about material wealth and productivity derived from it . If at all , if the material riches and the productivity are only the parameters to define human life , then what value can be assigned to a 'landscape of a valley filled with greenery' or a flower teeming with umpteen colors .
And what productivity or material riches do we derive from this
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Emotions have gargantuan amount of riches to offer

And to be candid , the humankind , evolved into the most powerful species on the face of this earth , due to the emotions like compassion , sympathy ,kindness , love which the other beings significantly lacked most of them and that provided an impetus to the humans to build a society that operates on the inter mutual cooperation of a group of individuals and this , in specific , offered us an immense advantage over the other species to dominate them [ of course , along with the physiological and other advantages] .
So I'd prefer people to choose compassion and kindness....over physical wealth , so that we could progress in a humane way .
And having said this , I even , cannot undermine the importance of wealth and other material possessions . We got to be realists and cannot dare to skew away from the realities of the world.
So I feel EQUILIBRIUM is the key here . One has to maintain balance between the emotions and the material possessions [ the 2 most important factors]
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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #46

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Speaking as a less-than successful musician, I'd probably sell out in a heartbeat, given the opportunity
Exactly...its easy to choose compassion now but if it came to it i think we would nearly all choose wealth !!
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Exactly...its easy to choose compassion now but if it came to it i think we would nearly all choose wealth !!
and humans are infused hypocrisy throughout the life
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Old December 14th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #48

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Exactly...its easy to choose compassion now but if it came to it i think we would nearly all choose wealth !!
Yeah in truth though, if it was an either/or choice then I'm pretty sure I'd choose the 'higher path'.
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Old December 14th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #49
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If we had all our marbles , nobody would choose to be poor. It stinks being poor, remember Mel Brookes's "Life Stinks" from 1991 or the story of Scrooge? We all have responsibilities with family, partners and kids and it doesn't work telling them it's best to be poor because at least we're honest....

We run our businesses for profit or we won't have one and maybe we'll starve.
But we're also people , we're not just one thing, nobody is. If I remember to, I do one good deed a day, which doesn't take much effort and if somebody else passes that on so much the better. I don't have any religious beliefs but I listen to philosophy and I kind of respect some of that Buddhism.

How about, drive your car to check your bank balance with humility?
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Old December 14th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #50

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Everyone would choose wealth because we'd plan to keeping our humility and kindness after we get the cash. Sometimes we fail to keep that humility, other times we don't. Artists that "sell out" at first plan on using that money to further fund their work, but unfortunately corporate lawyers mess their plans up.

But, if given the choice between two magical pills that would change us emotionally and psychologically, then I'm sure a lot less people would choose wealth with solitude.
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