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Old January 5th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #421

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Sicknero: The "Church in Wales" I think refers to that tiny part of the C of E which operates in a few Welsh parishes, otherwise, there is no established Church OF Wales. Traditionally, Wales was very religious, but mostly Methodist of some variety or another. You'll find chapels in just about every Welsh village and during the peak of the 19th century, they were building a chapel in Wales at the rate of one a week!

Being methodists, they're bound to be fairly conservative, too.

Pacific Victory: yes, there are images of sex everywhere, but if you look back to the 70's, there was probably more (in Britain, at least) in the newspapers, magazines but not so much on TV. Almost every magazine aimed at men (which is most "hobby" magazines) had a half naked girl on the cover (holding a camera for a photographer's magazine, or a shotgun for the hunters...) , but this became "sexist" during the 80's and 90's. Then magazines had very boring covers.

Famously, the Murdoch owned "Sun" newspaper, before he took it over, had "Page 3" which was a harmless glamour shot of a top photographic model, usually topless. Murdoch stop this, sales of his paper plummeted and so he reinstated Page 3.

And then spent ages defying the feminists, who it outraged. I think it was through page 3 that most British boys found out what they were missing.......

Well, given how accurate British schools are at handing out advice on drugs, I have to say I'd have no faith in them handing out accurate advice on sex

They mentioned sex briefly during my last year in school, aged 16. By which time I'd been doing the practical for 3 years
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Old January 5th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #422

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Sicknero: The "Church in Wales" I think refers to that tiny part of the C of E which operates in a few Welsh parishes, otherwise, there is no established Church OF Wales. Traditionally, Wales was very religious, but mostly Methodist of some variety or another. You'll find chapels in just about every Welsh village and during the peak of the 19th century, they were building a chapel in Wales at the rate of one a week!

Being methodists, they're bound to be fairly conservative, too.

Pacific Victory: yes, there are images of sex everywhere, but if you look back to the 70's, there was probably more (in Britain, at least) in the newspapers, magazines but not so much on TV. Almost every magazine aimed at men (which is most "hobby" magazines) had a half naked girl on the cover (holding a camera for a photographer's magazine, or a shotgun for the hunters...) , but this became "sexist" during the 80's and 90's. Then magazines had very boring covers.

Famously, the Murdoch owned "Sun" newspaper, before he took it over, had "Page 3" which was a harmless glamour shot of a top photographic model, usually topless. Murdoch stop this, sales of his paper plummeted and so he reinstated Page 3.

And then spent ages defying the feminists, who it outraged. I think it was through page 3 that most British boys found out what they were missing.......

Well, given how accurate British schools are at handing out advice on drugs, I have to say I'd have no faith in them handing out accurate advice on sex

They mentioned sex briefly during my last year in school, aged 16. By which time I'd been doing the practical for 3 years
Oh yeah, that makes sense. I was wondering why it was called the Church in Wales, that would explain it and my question about the legislation too.

I'm not sure if there's less sexual imagery around now than there was in the 70s, it certainly seems to have made a comeback in the last few years but we're post girl-power now so it's all cool.
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Yes, it has crept back up again. It sells things. Although what a large breasted young lady is doing on the cover of "Practical boot making" monthly, trying to look sexy whilst holding an wooden clog is beyond me
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In my opinion I believe marriage is a Christian thing for a man and a women, I think it would be like me(not religous) demanding a bar mitzvah because someone else can get it , I mean gay people have an opportunity here to make their own culture/custom to define the recognition of two people's love for each other, I would embrace this opportunity, they could call it whatever they wanted, essentially it would be identical to marriage except it wouldn't come under that name so everybody would be happy.

For example, they could call it Gayrriage, wearing flamboyant suits(if they are into that of course) and have someone with a license to begay two people, it would be just like marriage, it's still a civil union of two people (by the way I'm not trying to be funny it's just me trying to show that it could be anything they want, I have some gay friends and have nothing against them)
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #425

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And your opinion would be wrong, referring to the "Christian" part.

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Maybe we should redefine marriage as "a Christian thing for a man and a woman" and have the government stay out of it entirely, just like Bar Mitzvahs. Then we could just call it "civil union" and leave religious ceremonies like marriage as private matters, free to discriminate against whomever they want.

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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #426

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And your opinion would be wrong.

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Maybe we should redefine marriage as "a Christian thing for a man and a woman" and have the government stay out of it entirely, just like Bar Mitzvahs. Then we could just call it "civil union" and leave religious ceremonies like marriage as private matters.
Hear! Hear!
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Old January 5th, 2013, 08:34 PM   #427

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And your opinion would be wrong, referring to the "Christian" part.

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Maybe we should redefine marriage as "a Christian thing for a man and a woman" and have the government stay out of it entirely, just like Bar Mitzvahs. Then we could just call it "civil union" and leave religious ceremonies like marriage as private matters, free to discriminate against whomever they want.
my mistake, religion has no doubt shaped marriage in western society though, "*Western marriage has further been shaped by the doctrines and policies of the medieval Christian church, the demands of the Protestant Reformation, and the social impact of the Industrial Revolution" History of Marriage in Western Civilization.

and I was wondering why you think governments should stay out of marriage? also you said "leave religious ceremonies like marriage.." are you implying that marriage is infact a religious ceremony or am I reading that wrong?
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Gays don't need to be married to be in love. Marriage was intended to unite the women with the same last name as the rest of the family, etc... children take the father's last name. Man and women create babies so marriage was created. Gays don't need to be married.
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Gays don't need to be married to be in love. Marriage was intended to unite the women with the same last name as the rest of the family, etc... children take the father's last name. Man and women create babies so marriage was created. Gays don't need to be married.
Heidi, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the women took the last name as a sign that she now belonged to man? e.g. she was now his property.
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my mistake, religion has no doubt shaped marriage in western society though, "*Western marriage has further been shaped by the doctrines and policies of the medieval Christian church, the demands of the Protestant Reformation, and the social impact of the Industrial Revolution" History of Marriage in Western Civilization.

and I was wondering why you think governments should stay out of marriage? also you said "leave religious ceremonies like marriage.." are you implying that marriage is infact a religious ceremony or am I reading that wrong?
For the same reason that Governments should stay our of Bar Mitzvahs, Confirmations, Choosing your roomate, what hair cut you have and how many push ups you can do in a minute.

It is a personal or religious (depending on the person) ceremony and living arrangement which the government has no business getting involved in.
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