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View Poll Results: Do you favor the sentence against Julius Streicher?
Yes; in such a predicament you cannot argue free speech as an excuse for spreading hatred and lies. 10 55.56%
No; the actual murderers are to be held accountable. Free speech/press is inviolable. 8 44.44%
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Old January 8th, 2013, 06:17 AM   #31

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Streicher was vile,ignorant and evil and that is exactly why his freedom of speech is so important. Freedom of speech only exists when vile,dangerous speech is protected. Protecting the right to say safe,respectable,righteous things is meaningless. Every society does that.
PS: I do not know a lot about Streicher. I am assuming that he never participated in a rape or murder and confined his malignant personality to simply saying that Jews are evil and should be killed. I find such statements evil,immature,and ignorant. However,my love of freedom is stronger then my hatred for evil people.
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I think it comes down to the difference between saying "I think all Jews are evil" and saying "I call for all Jews to be exterminated." The first statement is an opinion, and opinion, however offensive or misguided, should be protected under the right to free speech. The second statement however, is an incitement to violence and should action be taken on this incitement then the person who called for it is just as culpable as those carrying it out.
The problem is; I agree with this as well. As I've stated, illegal threat should be considered a crime if committed within the context of an actual crime looming over the person offended. The words are not as much the crime as their context. I would say the same about Streicher; the problem is that the "context", as I've explained, is invoked by other people. Punishing me for tweeting a statement favouring genocide when an act branded as genocide (by whom?) took place. His party membership sheds it in a different light, but it is still terribly arbitrary.

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Old January 8th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #32

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While i do sympathize with the anti-capital punishment argument highlighted in bold. Some people and the cases surrounding them are pretty cut and dried. Their guilt can't be denied, their crimes can't be down played. There are cold, calculating manipulative killers of all varieties out there, the worst of the worst being the serial killers that, most frighteningly, walk amongst us as we're unaware. These sort of people is what capital punishment was meant for. The irredeemable and completely disconnected soulless beings whose only known joy is destruction for it's sake. Unfortunately for Germany's sake and the Nuremberg trials made clear enough, a whole bunch of soulless unthinking killers ended up running a great power state.
But you can't make that sort of distinction. The question of capital punishment is one of those rare cases of either/or, you can't have it both ways.

Not to mention that most likely some of the innocents that were mistakenly executed may have had similar seemingly "cut and dried" cases against them too.
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But you can't make that sort of distinction. The question of capital punishment is one of those rare cases of either/or, you can't have it both ways.

Not to mention that most likely some of the innocents that were mistakenly executed may have had similar seemingly "cut and dried" cases against them too.
Are serial killers and thrill killers redeemable to a society? Or is it better to spend a societies money keeping them locked up until they're either released upon the unsuspecting or die of old age 50 or 60 years later? Where i do agree that a case it isn't so black and white, is when the police screw up a case so thoroughly that an innocent person ends up paying for a crime committed by someone else.
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Are serial killers and thrill killers redeemable to a society? Or is it better to spend a societies money keeping them locked up until they're either released upon the unsuspecting or die of old age 50 or 60 years later? Where i do agree that a case it isn't so black and white, is when the police screw up a case so thoroughly that an innocent person ends up paying for a crime committed by someone else.
We're getting off topic here
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Opps, sorry.
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Just to clarify; the issue here is not capital punishment. If you find life imprisonment to be warranted for the crime in question, you should vote Yes. (If you feel, however, that let's say a fine or one year's suspended sentence - in other words, what you might get in a democracy of today for similar conduct - then a No vote might be closer to your sentiment.)
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