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Old July 21st, 2014, 09:06 AM   #11

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I already think that's the case with regards to the common sense conception of free will. It has affected my attitude towards criminal punishment and law enforcement by making me strongly support rehabilitative justice over punitive vengeance. It has affected my judgment of other people actions by making me focus more on the act than the actor; I can recognize that a given action might be problematic while still realizing that the actor doing it was inevitable.
But does the lack of free will necessary have to change our attitude?
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Old July 31st, 2014, 04:03 PM   #12
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Even if determinism is true that doesn't necessarily mean that punitive action and moral condemnation are useless and/or inappropriate. The very fact that we judge, codemn and punish people has an effect on the way people behave (this marks the difference between determinism (the idea that people are slaves to cause and effect) and fatalism (the idea that everything is set in stone regardless of our actions). Therefore even if we accept that a murderer is no more responsible, in the sense that he's the ultimate source of his actions, than someone who accidentily kills someone, the fact that the punishment for the former is higher might cause him to refrain from killing. Therefore the effects of finding out that determinism is true shouldn't have the momentous effect for morality and law that some people would ascribe to it.

The only difference difference would be that nobody really deserves anything that they get or have done to them be it good or bad.
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Old July 31st, 2014, 05:05 PM   #13

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But does the lack of free will necessary have to change our attitude?
Necessarily? I suppose not. It really depends on one's character. If one sincerely cares about and has compassion for one's fellow man, then one's fellow man having a lack of free will will probably lead one to see him in a more sympathetic light, since he is after all trapped in a net of causality which swept him along towards unhappy results. If by contrast one is actually quite misanthropic and vengeful, then the fact that the criminal couldn't help but commit his crime might have very little impact on one's assessment of the situation.
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Free-will along sexual repression, is a truce between the individual and the state.
The state is capable of transgression just as much as the individual is. It is an accommodation between the two.
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