And deliver me from all evil - Page 2 - Historum

gus · September 19th, 2009, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scourge

Completely not true. Some people are just ****ed up. They are called Sadists. The enjoyment of pain in another some consider evil while others consider it to be the greatest thing in the world unrivaled by other useless sexual acts.

You should have gotten used to coberst, by now ...

(He's just like this in other forums as well.)

If there were a poll on the useless member, he might be a strong candidate.

Scourge · September 19th, 2009, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PADDYBOY

Ah, you mean like ******s ?

after all, isn't that what most of them do over their victims, mainly because they're too inadequate to get it up the normal way....so, they compensate for their inadequacy by punishing some innocent victim...

Yup that is what I'm talking about.

cinamin · September 19th, 2009, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by paruos

You should have gotten used to coberst, by now ...

(He's just like this in other forums as well.)

If there were a poll on the useless member, he might be a strong candidate.

I don't think Coberst is useless at all. He brings a number of subjects to our attention which generates some good discussions that we might not ever think about otherwise.

I see him as a generator..keeping the forum lively.

Scourge · September 19th, 2009, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cinamin

I don't think Coberst is useless at all. He brings a number of subjects to our attention which generates some good discussions that we might not ever think about otherwise.

I see him as a generator..keeping the forum lively.

Yeah hes not useless some of his threads generate like 4 or 5 pages of discussion or none at all. The same for everybody.

**PADDYBOY** · September 19th, 2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Scourge

Yup that is what I'm talking about.

And don't forget to wash your hands.

**PADDYBOY** · September 19th, 2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by paruos

You should have gotten used to coberst, by now ...

(He's just like this in other forums as well.)

If there were a poll on the useless member, he might be a strong candidate.

Nah. Coberst is okay. If you don't like him, just ignore his posts.

gus · September 19th, 2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cinamin

I don't think Coberst is useless at all.

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Originally Posted by Scourge

Yeah hes not useless ...

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Originally Posted by PADDYBOY

Nah. Coberst is okay.

er ... All right then.

Btw, I never said I didn't like him. I only said I'm used to him (and that he speaks more than usual

) . . .

(& "useless" wasn't the precise word for the kind of member he is, I have to agree with that. Maybe "little-interactive" or something like. I was lazy in not trying to find a precise definition.)

SORRY, you historians! I am used with you. One can never make academic mistakes with you! I have three disciples in History College, to whom I teach Latin, I know that.

(On the other hand, there are few people more comprehensive than historians, generally ... I know that too. As well as funny, and good-humoured. They're not only excellent Latin students, but good friends as well.)

P~

Scourge · September 19th, 2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Dog

Yes, Scourge, many times. I wouldn't now, though.

However, do you think that people who work in slaughterhouses are evil or sadistic? They kill every day.

And in the big picture, wasn't Stalin's purges and manmade famines in the Ukraine worse than, say, the individual murders by some serial killer? I know what you mean about one enjoying it for the sake of inflicting pain, and Stalin, for example, just not giving a damn about the people he ordered killled, but which does the most damage? Stalin did it through the apparatus of the state: even if someone had killed him, at that time, no doubt Beria or someone equally as murderous would have taken over. Whereas, execute Manson, and it's all over.

I guess that you know the well known story of Himmler witnessing an execution of Jews by machine gun? Himmler didn't like to go near the front much, and had never witnessed this before. Not all the victims died straight away, and Himmer had hysterics, yelling at the Einsatzkommando to finish the survivors. Some witnesses say that he was in tears. A couple of hours later, he gave a speech to the Einstatzgruppe, telling them how noble their "work" was and what good men they were. Later still, he gave Paul Blobel (the leader of that particular Einsatzgruppe) a real telling off, and ordered that a "more humane" way to kill Jews should be found. Meaning, more humane for the executioners, not the victims. Do you think that Himmler was evil? Or a psychopath? You know, I don't think so. He believed absolutely that this is what had to be done. He was utterly convinced. He apparently was upset by the brutal murders. He had some empathy for the executioners, who apparently kept themselves going with drink and opium cigarettes. Not typical psychopathic behaviour: but typical (if extreme) State sanctioned behaviour. The state, it seems, can even make people do things like that.

To balance things out a little: Arthur "bomber" Harris, head of the RAF Bomber command, was utterly convinced that the allies could win the war by indiscriminate "area" saturation bombing. This meant the deaths of countless civilians. One day, Harris was stopped by a policeman for driving his car too fast. The policemen told him that if he drove that fast in future, he would kill someone. Harris replied, "Young man, I kill countless people every day". He knew what his bombs were doing. Was Harris evil? I don't think so: and the bomber crews who did his work for him, were they evil? I don't think so. But it was the state which sanctioned such acts. Harris merely believed that it was necessary. One his own, it is unlikely that he could have caused much damage even if he'd wanted to.

The state and society are behind most evil.

Yeah that makes sense. Though yeah I have heard that story about Himmler. I never heard the part where he almost cried though. I heard that he stood there and watched the Jews get machined gunned and he turned all green and look like he was gonna throw up and he had brains and blood all over his jacket. Apparently he just threw the whole thing out. This must be one of those things where there is like six different versions told from different perspectives from the people who were there.