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Old April 25th, 2015, 01:19 AM   #1
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"YES" does not mean "MAYBE", and "Regret"≠"RAPE"


I think that the feminist movement has gone off rail , and has become anti-Liberty movement.

Feminist with full support of media have been able to turn the intellectual atmosphere so poisonous that a mere "accusation" without proof is considered equal to guilty verdict, and coeds in "liberal arts" colleges are indoctrinated to consider SEX=RAPE.

While it is true that "NO" means NO, not MAYBE; it should always be stressed upon that "YES" means YES, not MAYBE and "REGRET" the night after is not equal to Rape, And if you do not know that you were raped for four months after having sex, it probably was never Rape.






In Columbia University rape case, accuser and accused are now fighting it out in public - The Washington Post

Columbia University sued by male student in ?Carry that Weight? rape case - The Washington Post

Columbia Student: I Didn?t Rape Her - The Daily Beast

Paul Nungesser lawsuit: Emma Sulkowicz' alleged rapist sues Columbia.

Columbia University student at center of alleged rape calls lawsuit 'ridiculous' | US news | The Guardian

Columbia mattress rape case is not justice ? it?s shaming without proof | New York Post


In India too, Rape is one of the only three crime in penal code where you are assumed guilty, until proven innocent. And defendant's lawyer could not delve into sexual past of accuser.On top of it in India, even touching of genitals with any object is considered rape.

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First it expands the definition of 'rape' to include penetration by any object, to any extent. The latter part of this definition makes it impossible for the defendant to adduce medical evidence of the absence of penetration in his defence, for 'any extent' could be one millimetre or even less.
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What happens when there is no evidence of molestation or rape, but the plaintiff swears in court that she was coerced? The answer is that the new law requires the judge to believe her. He must base his verdict upon the premise that, in matters pertaining to sex, women cannot lie under oath!
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The new act has even blocked the defendant's last line of defence — to allege that the plaintiff has a record of indulging in sexual innuendo or conferring sexual favours upon men, stating explicitly that 'the character of the victim is irrelevant' . It has also expanded the definition of sexual assault to include not only 'physical contact and advances involving unwelcome and explicit sexual overtures' but even a verbal demand for sex. This clause has made even a mention of sex to a woman a dangerous liberty that can send a man to prison.
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In India, and several other countries where laws have been passed to punish crimes against women, the burden of proof has been consciously reversed: it is the accused who has to prove his innocence. This reversal is bad in principle, but probably necessary to create a level playing field for women in cases pertaining to sex crimes. But the new rape law has carried the reversal to a point where, if implemented as drafted, it will defeat the very purpose of justice . For once a man is accused, it leaves him with no way whatever of proving his innocence.
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To call the new law 'draconian' would be an understatement , for what it has done is to fuse accusation and verdict: once you have been accused, you are automatically guilty. This is what the Inquisition did in Spain, and the Salem witch hunt in the US. The new rape law is about to make India a member of this inglorious club.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/h...w/27745683.cms

http://www.saveservices.org/falsely-...-of-innocence/


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You know, as a bisexual male, I'm starting to think that feminism has hurt most of the LGBT scene around the world. And it's all because a minority of vocal feminists fears a lot about sex.
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There was a story about a bunch of feminists that hurted LGBT people before. I'll try to find it
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The laws in India seem a bit extreme.
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Feminist with full support of media have been able to turn the intellectual atmosphere so poisonous that a mere "accusation" without proof is considered equal to guilty verdict, and coeds in "liberal arts" colleges are indoctrinated to consider SEX=RAPE
I'm not sure about the second (anyone who can be 'indoctrinated' to believe that is already well on their way to thinking it) but the first part's definitely true. I wouldn't blame feminists entirely - a hysterical anti-rape stance of male vigilantism has been a thing since immemorial - but society generally puts the guilty cart before the innocent horses here.

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And defendant's lawyer could not delve into sexual past of accuser.On top of it in India, even touching of genitals with any object is considered rape
Both things I completely agree with. Sexual past is irrelevant. And 'touching of genitals with an object' (it's obvious what that means) is at least sexual assault. The other parts of Indian law you mentioned are insane, though. The authorities in that country obviously don't have a clue how to handle rape so are acting 'tough.'

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I'm not sure about the second (anyone who can be 'indoctrinated' to believe that is already well on their way to thinking it) but the first part's definitely true. I wouldn't blame feminists entirely - a hysterical anti-rape stance of male vigilantism has been a thing since immemorial - but society generally puts the guilty cart before the innocent horses here.

Both things I completely agree with. Sexual past is irrelevant. And 'touching of genitals with an object' (it's obvious what that means) is at least sexual assault. The other parts of Indian law you mentioned are insane, though. The authorities in that country obviously don't have a clue how to handle rape so are acting 'tough.'
The point here is not that definition of rape is wrong.

The point here is that when you define rape so loosely, and then presumed that defendant is guilty until proved innocent, you are inviting false rape charges with sole purpose of blackmail.

It is the "assumed guilty until proven innocence" part that is wrong.

And this is not a theoretical postulate. Fake rape cases in India have exploded in past two years.

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The laws in India seem a bit extreme.

And a product of pure media hype.

Rape in India is not much of a problem statistically. It was that media lost its mind on a particular case and hitched their wagon to feminist train who believe that "Women never lies".

Good thing is that, one of the media boss himself got caught in this anf is facing potentially 8 years in prison.
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The point here is that when you define rape so loosely, and then presumed that defendant is guilty until proved innocent, you are inviting false rape charges with sole purpose of blackmail
True.

I don't think feminists are responsible. Not in India, anyway. Just a government acting 'tough' because it's sensitive about its international image.
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And a product of pure media hype.

Rape in India is not much of a problem statistically. It was that media lost its mind on a particular case and hitched their wagon to feminist train who believe that "Women never lies".

Good thing is that, one of the media boss himself got caught in this anf is facing potentially 8 years in prison.
Well Buddha said this about such cases

"To tell the truth, woman is a snare set up by Mara. It is better
for a monk to quarrel with a man carrying a sword than to
speak alone with a woman. It is better for a monk to quarrel
with a friend than to speak alone with a woman. It is better
for a monk to sit next to a dangerous snake than to speak
alone with a woman."

Perhaps he predicted situation like today. People even do not know how much reputation of any male in traditional societies like Indian subcontinent(SL included) is tarnished by such false charges.
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True.

I don't think feminists are responsible. Not in India, anyway. Just a government acting 'tough' because it's sensitive about its international image.
The government is acting tough because of feminist dominated media and its international image is affected because of same forces controlling discourse.
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