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View Poll Results: Should foreigners receive bigger punishments for crimes compared to natives?
Yes 6 18.75%
No 25 78.13%
Undecided 1 3.13%
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:22 AM   #1

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Should foreigners be more harshly punished if they commit crimes?


I don't see why not. We already punish the same crime differently according to different situation and different victims and different intentions, so I don't see why that shouldn't apply in this case aswell. Commiting a crime as a foreigner is more reprensibile because he0s a guest in someone else home, and thus he should be held to bigger standards of behaviour. What do you think?
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:25 AM   #2
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No, they should be sentenced like the inlanders, too, not worse, but as well not better.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:30 AM   #3

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No worse than any citizen is punished, but even then I would say it should be case-by-case. We find ourselves in other countries for a variety of reasons, and no one can be expected to memorize all the laws of every nation they conduct business in, travel to (or through) or visit for pleasure. If it is something common, like murder for example, than the foreigner should know better. If it is some obscure law, then there may be some kind of compromise involved.

I do not see why it should be necessary to make the punishment harder for a foreigner though.
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:31 AM   #4
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By the way, what is a foreigner for you? In germany we have people without a german passport, who live here in the 3rd or fourth generation. Should they be treated as foreigners like asylants who are here since 1,2 or 3 years or just a month? What's with a foreigner who has achieved a German passport? Is he now a full German or a German of minor grade? I suppose the same could be said about the USA. What's with guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger? Foreigner or as American as the mayflower descendents? Is Arnold more American than a Hispano who lives in the USA in the xth generation as illegal?
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By the way, what is a foreigner for you? In germany we have people without a german passport, who live here in the 3rd or fourth generation. Should they be treated as foreigners like asylants who are here since 1,2 or 3 years or just a month? What's with a foreigner who has achieved a German passport? Is he now a full German or a German of minor grade? I suppose the same could be said about the USA. What's with guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger? Foreigner or as American as the mayflower descendents? Is Arnold more American than a Hispano who lives in the USA in the xth generation as illegal?
citizenship. We already discriminate on the basis on citizenship (non citizens can't vote for example).
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Old July 19th, 2015, 11:49 AM   #6
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if anything natives could be punished more (or foreigners could recieve lighter punishments) since citizen criminals have to be more familiar with the local laws that they violate and generally have closer legal bound with their states (more rights and duties). but i find the whole idea absurd to make distinction on criminal responsibility and punishment based on citizenship, voted no.
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I think anyone who lives legally in a country should be treated equally by criminal law.

This means both native born citizens, naturalized citizens or temporary residents with valid passports and visas.

I see no moral reason why illegal residents shouldn't be punished extremely more harshly. They break social contract just by living in your country when it doesn't want them there.

An exception is if naturalized citizens commit serious crimes. This then should be valid cause to repeal their citizenship and send them home. And of course you can tell a tourist (or etc) who commits serious crimes he's never welcome back to your country. But in "normal" punishment (what prison sentence or fine they get) should be same for both as everyone else.
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citizenship. We already discriminate on the basis on citizenship (non citizens can't vote for example).
But non citizens have as well not the same duties as citizens. I see no problem with it. But concerning the law, I think all people are equal.
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But non citizens have as well not the same duties as citizens. I see no problem with it. But concerning the law, I think all people are equal.
If all people are equal, why do we punish pedos harder than normal rapists?
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In the UK, foreigners are subject to the same laws and penalties as citizens if they commit a crime. Ignorance of them is not regarded as an excuse, however our laws allow for mitigation and being foreign would be one that would be heard in the right circumstances. Whether it made any difference would be dependent on the details of the crime.

An example that immediately springs to mind would be a minor motoring offence say, where a police officer may exercise his own judgement on the situation. An bookable infraction may turn into instruction and advice. I've had it myself in other countries.

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