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Old May 22nd, 2016, 04:50 AM   #31

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Is it true that all Slavic peoples of Yugoslavia, except Slovenes and Macedonians, could understand each other's speaking?
Well, Slovenes speak Slovene and Macedonians speak Macedonian. Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and Montenegrins spoke Serbo-Croatian, which is today Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian and Montenegrin language. They speak something very very similar, with dialectual differences, of course. In Yugoslavia all learned Serbo Croatian in school, even Slovenes and Macedonians and it was the official language in the army, so pretty much all knew it. But if a Slovene or Macedonian would speak in their own languages, the others may have some problems understanding them. And then you had Kosovo Albanians, who mostly knew Serbo-Croatian as well, but none of us understand Albanian.

Since you're Russian, it's interesting that Serbo-Croatian was taught in schools all across Yugoslavia, but despite the people knew the language, they hung on to their own native language, as far as it was a different one. There was no such thing like in Belarus, where people mostly switched to Russian as it is seen more prestige. For example in Slovenia, all the media, education and everything was in Slovene, but you had to learn Serbo-Croatian (like we learn English today), which certainly did come handy in the rest of the country.
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why that?
Because balkanians are staying quite and silent, to get the EU membership. Albanians want to unified under one state, and also the Serbs. Croats either. They think that the unification would occurs within the EU. If EU disappear they would start again to claim territories. I think that Balkans should be unified within one state, but a true democratic one.
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What was wrong with the Kingdom? Strong centralism, BS banovine sistem, admitting 3 nations (basically 3 tribes of one single nation) on a place where 7 countries exist today, army and most key positions being run only by Serbs.

With quick downfall during ww2 I meant incidents, where Ustaši bands of a couple of men disabled whole brigades of the royal army, which planned on giving up the North of the country and fight some sort of sitting, semi-hide-and-seak war in the highlands of Bosnia and western Serbia.

I think the main problem of SFRY was, besides communism, the creation of too many taboos, or rather said, the keeping of old taboos and adding new ones. The national question was only partially resolved. The greatest problem is probably the lack of discussion about stuff that happened during and after the war. That's why you have today people thinking Ustaše weren't all that bad, četniki being equal to partisans, people advocating the domobranci etc. Nationalism in the 80s and 90s, it's all connected.
First of all: capital city shouldn't be Belgrade, but another one. Maybe Zagreb, Ljubljana or Sarajevo. Serbia was the predominant province and they took the capital. It's wrong. The capital was better settle at a smaller province. Thus, you make better balances
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 08:20 AM   #34

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Let us rather resurrect the Byzantine Empire instead.

Click the image to open in full size.

Problem solved.

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Is it true that all Slavic peoples of Yugoslavia, except Slovenes and Macedonians, could understand each other's speaking?
Macedonian it's an extent or a dialect of Bulgarian. Bulgarian and serbo- Croatian are distinct languages, the differences are like the Portuguese and Spanish. We have two slavic minorities in our country(gorani and gollodordes) and their languages are mutually unintelligible.
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Well, Slovenes speak Slovene and Macedonians speak Macedonian. Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs and Montenegrins spoke Serbo-Croatian, which is today Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian and Montenegrin language. They speak something very very similar, with dialectual differences, of course. In Yugoslavia all learned Serbo Croatian in school, even Slovenes and Macedonians and it was the official language in the army, so pretty much all knew it. But if a Slovene or Macedonian would speak in their own languages, the others may have some problems understanding them. And then you had Kosovo Albanians, who mostly knew Serbo-Croatian as well, but none of us understand Albanian.

Since you're Russian, it's interesting that Serbo-Croatian was taught in schools all across Yugoslavia, but despite the people knew the language, they hung on to their own native language, as far as it was a different one. There was no such thing like in Belarus, where people mostly switched to Russian as it is seen more prestige. For example in Slovenia, all the media, education and everything was in Slovene, but you had to learn Serbo-Croatian (like we learn English today), which certainly did come handy in the rest of the country.

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Macedonian it's an extent or a dialect of Bulgarian. Bulgarian and serbo- Croatian are distinct languages, the differences are like the Portuguese and Spanish. We have two slavic minorities in our country(gorani and gollodordes) and their languages are mutually unintelligible.
Many thanks, buddies. Though I have one more question. Some Serbian nationalists claim that there's no such nation as Montenegrins and actually they are the very same Serbs. How true is this?
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 01:03 AM   #37

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Many thanks, buddies. Though I have one more question. Some Serbian nationalists claim that there's no such nation as Montenegrins and actually they are the very same Serbs. How true is this?
That is something I don't actually want to answer. Some of them see themselves as Serbs, others say they're Montenegrins. Serbs usually say Montenegrins are Serbs. They speak Serbian although their hillbilly dialect was made a language not that long ago. I don't know what the majority of them thinks, so I rather don't say too much.
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 08:11 AM   #38

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Let us rather resurrect the Byzantine Empire instead.



Problem solved.
Yeah, then they could all speak Byzantine.

Or maybe French.
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That's a cool 11th cent. map of the ERE, Valens.

On the topic... it is good to see some of the ultranationalist movements in retreat around the Balkans.
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Yeah, then they could all speak Byzantine.
You mean Greek? Why not, make Greek lingua Franca in the Balkans.
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