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March 9th, 2010, 06:54 AM
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#1 | | Man in the Box ¤ Blog of the Year ¤
Joined: Oct 2009 From: Baltimorean-in-exile Posts: 16,662 | Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid
Alexander the Great, commanding a small detachment of Companions and several thousands of phalangites meets Khalid ibn Walid who is at the head of a similarly-sized host of both light and heavy infantry, some mounted on camels.
Who takes it?
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March 9th, 2010, 10:12 AM
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#2 | | Podestà
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Montréal Posts: 6,163 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid
Khalid. I always thought that Alexander was overrated. Don't get me wrong, he was a great general but I would not put him in my top 5. Khalid was better. His tactics were certainly comparable to Alexander and he faced a much greater opposition.
Aechemid Persia + Indian tribes+ Greek mercenaries vs Sassanid Persia+Eastern Roman Empire. No contest here as far as opposition is concerned.
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March 9th, 2010, 10:32 AM
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#3 | | Dominus Historiae
Joined: Jun 2006 From: U.K. Posts: 8,566 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid
Khalid is greatly over-rated. He faced the dregs of a last gasp Sassanid empire and local levies from an exhausted Eastern Roman/Byzantine empire. There is doubt that he even commanded in some of the battles for which he is given credit. He's a Muslim version of "El Cid", or "King Arthur"; more hype than substance.
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March 9th, 2010, 11:12 AM
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#4 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2010 From: Dallas TX Posts: 1,010 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by Belisarius Khalid is greatly over-rated. He faced the dregs of a last gasp Sassanid empire and local levies from an exhausted Eastern Roman/Byzantine empire. There is doubt that he even commanded in some of the battles for which he is given credit. He's a Muslim version of "El Cid", or "King Arthur"; more hype than substance. | i usually agree with most of your post
but you'll be the first person i come across who thinks that Khalid is overrated
i read articles books and watched many programs about him, and nothing about the guy is overrated
those byzantine and sassanid empires you talking about, still had numbers war experience and weapons and armeres on khalid armies and they even joint forces against the guy and they could not mount a single victory (large or small).
and let me know who had doubt about him commanding the muslim army in some battles? the only two names that come to mind who could have lead the muslim armies are abo ubida and amer bin al aas, and if i am not mistaken there are letters from abo ubida and amer that praise the countless abilities in the war games.
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March 9th, 2010, 01:28 PM
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#5 | | Podestà
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Montréal Posts: 6,163 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by Belisarius Khalid is greatly over-rated. He faced the dregs of a last gasp Sassanid empire and local levies from an exhausted Eastern Roman/Byzantine empire. There is doubt that he even commanded in some of the battles for which he is given credit. He's a Muslim version of "El Cid", or "King Arthur"; more hype than substance. | The question then is: Who is more overrated, Alexander of Khalid? In my opinion, it is clearly Alexander. His opposition was weak, his enemy's generals were incompetent, he had the best army in the world against a Persian rabble, etc.
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March 9th, 2010, 01:41 PM
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#6 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2010 From: Dallas TX Posts: 1,010 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by Labienus The question then is: Who is more overrated, Alexander of Khalid? In my opinion, it is clearly Alexander. His opposition was weak, his enemy's generals were incompetent, he had the best army in the world against a Persian rabble, etc. | how can a guy who never lost a battle and fought more than a 100 battles be considered overrated if most people do not even know who he was.
if anything the guy is way underrated.
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March 9th, 2010, 04:20 PM
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#7 | | Podestà
Joined: Jul 2009 From: Montréal Posts: 6,163 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by alsoubani how can a guy who never lost a battle and fought more than a 100 battles be considered overrated if most people do not even know who he was.
if anything the guy is way underrated. | His military exploits were inflated by the Muslim propaganda.
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March 10th, 2010, 03:54 AM
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#8 | | Dominus Historiae
Joined: Jun 2006 From: U.K. Posts: 8,566 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by Labienus His military exploits were inflated by the Muslim propaganda. | No they weren't, it's just that there is significant doubt amongst Western historians that the exploits attributed to Khalid might well have been carried out by other lesser known commanders. The siege of Damascus is a case in point, some accounts state Khalid captured the city by siezing a watchtower left unguarded, others state the Damascenes surrendered to a different Arab army once a Roman relief force had been defeated. Yet other accounts state that both things occurred at the same time. Arab accounts give a time frame for the siege from 4 to 14 months, so confusion reigns.
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March 10th, 2010, 04:01 AM
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#9 | | Dominus Historiae
Joined: Jun 2006 From: U.K. Posts: 8,566 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid Quote:
Originally Posted by alsoubani i usually agree with most of your post
but you'll be the first person i come across who thinks that Khalid is overrated
i read articles books and watched many programs about him, and nothing about the guy is overrated
those byzantine and sassanid empires you talking about, still had numbers war experience and weapons and armeres on khalid armies and they even joint forces against the guy and they could not mount a single victory (large or small).
and let me know who had doubt about him commanding the muslim army in some battles? the only two names that come to mind who could have lead the muslim armies are abo ubida and amer bin al aas, and if i am not mistaken there are letters from abo ubida and amer that praise the countless abilities in the war games. | I've responded in part to this to Labienus' "propaganda"post. I'll get back to you in more detail when I've more time.
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August 20th, 2010, 09:31 AM
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#10 | | Academician
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 53 | Re: Alexander vs. Khalid ibn Walid
Khalid was better than Alexander. Tactically they were on par but Khalid had less to work with and faced stronger oppositions compared to Alexander.
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