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Old October 31st, 2016, 03:42 PM   #111
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Unless you go with the idea - we are stealing ideas from crashed UFO's - there is a major flaw with the argument/

Our militarizes have all sorts of weapons - guns, planes, and missiles. Surely one of these could shoot a UFO down or at least there would be a report of trying to shoot one down. Remember the Soviets shot down the U-2 Spy plane and tried unsuccessfully to shoot down the SR-71 and there are records of it.

Case in point Rosewell, within 200 miles of the crash site was the White Sands prototype NASA proving ground... So why not bring in Von Braun and the former German Nazi scientists (who were illegally smuggled across the Rio Grande in Project Paperclip) to reverse engineer the damned thing? If they did, we would already have men on Mars and Alpha Centuarai?

I do agree that if they were to crash or shot down - technology would have improved greatly. There would be seen a need for funding such research - the Soviets uselessly spent millions of rubles studying the remains of the U-2 spy-plane and with it improved soviet technology.

All technology can be reproduced. It is possible to reverse engineer tech.

Case in point - there was a late stone age peoples that lived under the Marcos government, according to law under the Marcos it was punishable by DEATH to even have contact with said people - they had hoped to keep them pure without the western influences. Then came a woodcutter with a machete, he sold the iron machete to the stone age man for a wife, a few sheep, and a basket of gourds. At first this "magic machete" was seen by the stone age peoples as a boon, some of them left the forests and came in contact with the outside world ending their primitive culture. There was a single out-layer, who was smart enough to independently craft his own metal machete - it was of inferior metals, he failed several times in making it, but the machete still worked like the iron one he got rather cheaply (he had sold his sister for it to copy later). By the time the inferior one was ready, the Marcos government had collapsed and so had the stone age culture collapsed - you can still see their descendants wearing Nike shoes picking your pocket in major cities today.

You can do almost anything with a photograph - in the 19th century through photo manipulation of the negatives you could have the ghost of your grandmother (or the Fox girls with their "fairies" - which managed to trick Conan Doyle) standing behind you. As for the abduction claims, okay -I have gone fishing - playing catch and release, but from the fish's point of view it would be an alien abduction, but they could not prove it happened scientifically with predictable results - hypnotism and truth serum are unreliable - I am talking about concrete proof like technology, a body, or the taking said alien to congress to make a speech. As a court case it would be a failure. Photos and bad eyewitness testimony can be thrown out by any incompetent lawyer, but DNA of an Alien could and would win the argument nor could they summon an alien for trial.

Stories of fantastical celestial apparitions have been told since antiquity, but the term "UFO" (or "UFOB") was officially created in 1953 by the United States Air Force (USAF) to serve as a catch-all for all such reports.

The Flying Wing concept has been around since the 1940's (meaning that the Stealth fighter predates the term "UFO"), the sighting of such an strange object say in 1950-1980's was likely the prototypes for the Stealth Bomber and Stealth Fighter.

The VTOL has been around since 1960's.

The Bell X-1 was conceived in 1944, designed and built in 1945, and achieved supersonic flight in 1947. Who is to say that the early UFO's were variants of the X projects (the x-15 was primed and ready to break the barrier to go into outer space) ?


Most Jets (military and civilian) only fly between Mach 1 and Mach 3 - there are some planes that exceed that speed such as the SR-71 served the Air Force from 1964 to 1998 reaching over 2'000 miles an hour at top speed. who is to say what is sighted is not some new variant that is somewhere near the SR 71 range?

All of these actual aircraft have all the flight characteristics described by UFOs.

Strange marks on the ground, burn marks, footprints are not concrete evidence. During the 18th and early parts of the 19th century, there were reports of a huge ape living in Africa - scientists dismissed the existence of it until some explorer with a gun shot the strange ape and brought it home to the British museum, now we know scientifically know that the Gorilla exists. Now with all the abductions, why hasn't anyone SHOT an ET and brought one to the British Museum?The US was NOT the only superpower during the Cold War - as an Air Force commander it would be career suicide to tell Senator so-and-so that the Soviets was working on jet aircraft, stealth aircraft (project scrapped in the late 1980's), harrier jets (viable harrier-jet style MiGs by the late 1960's), bombers that could reach New York City (project scrapped by the late 1970's), and IBCM rockets (viable by 4 October 1957). Who is to say the aircraft sighted over Washington was not a Soviet prototype? It is more obvious to cover up Soviet prototype aircraft and US prototype aircraft than visitors from Mars.

The first alleged abduction was in 1961 - Betty and Barney Hill. The former was a white woman, the later Barney Hill was a black man - such relationships were not common in the 1960's - it is more likely that they had an encounter of someone forcefully sterilizing them (the two never had children).

Then of course there is the problem of popular culture - Science Fiction has a means of making people mold their accounts to match them.I do not dispute the Fermi / Drake formula. I do no dispute the existance of extra-soloar planets within the "Goldilocks zone". I do dispute other things - existing earthling technology and the prevalence of science fiction influencing our thoughts; the laws of physics that are blatantly ignored for the sake of good story telling; the reliance on grainy photos, eyewitness accounts, hypnosis; the existence of "grey aliens" stretching evolutionary feasibility - convergent evolution is rare on this planet, it would be equally rare on a planet in the "Goldilocks zone"; it stretches belief that someone could be able to cover it all up - spies defect all the time, computers can be hacked, generals have pillow talk with their girlfriends, admirals have gambling problems...secrets will get out.

All I ask for is physical peer-reviewed testable evidence - so the next time ET lands, the next time you are abducted steal an ash-tray from off a counter, or shoot an ET dead and bring it to any university lab - until then I register my abject skepticism."Much eyewitness testimony seems good." - Is a False.

The best example is the FBI after gettting too many complaints from the NYPD that eyewitness testimony was bad - the color of a criminal's clothing, hair, eyecolor, height, and in some cases race.
The FBI decided to hold a controlled experiment, in 1985, to see if they could improve if for future police procedure.
They took 10 green FBI agents, 10 senior FBI agents, and 10 members of the NYPD (both recently sworn in and senior policemen) and took them to a basketball game positioning them all around the stadium so each of them had a different vantage point. After the game, they were ordered to write down what they had seen during the game. Not a single report was exactly the same. Most telling of all is that not a single report of the streaker in the second quarter. These are people trained to observant.
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There was a scientist that was studying the great apes of Africa. She had set down her hat to take a photo. While distracted by one of the apes, another ape sole her hat. Instead of turning around and grabbing the hat back, she took out her notebook and recorded what the apes did after they stollen the hat. Once recorded in her notebook and after a week, she found her hat discarded as trash. So... if you say advanced beings are not stupid, is a gorilla smarter than a human being for being able to steal a hat? If a gorilla can be able to trick a human being in order to steal from them, a human being is able to steal from ET.


To suggest that during an abduction that someone could not steal something does not hold water - there is a very, very obscure case of a kleptomaniac during open heart surgery managed to steal an ink pen from a nurse's pocket. What is more amazing is that he did it when his heart was outside of his body and being massaged by the doctor! Technically and medically, he was unconscious (and "dead"), but his body moved on its on on its last nerve impulse to steal the nurse's ink pen. When he was revived, they discovered the ink pen. The next time they had him for surgery - they strapped both arms behind his back to make sure there was no repeat.

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The problem with aliens helping our ancestors? Where are they now? Why are they not helping us now - we need better governments, better medicine, better roads, and better tech? But the aliens are holding out. Why are they holding out?
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:26 PM   #112
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I have to ask myself why an "alien civilization" that is capable of traveling great distances in space in super-sophisticated spacecraft presumably built out of thin-skinned metal alloys would amuse itself by wasting its time digging giant stone monoliths. Really?
There are some who claim that the pyramids were actually sophisticated machines

All Pyramids are Free Energy Machines - AETHERFORCE


Gizapower : The Official Chris Dunn Website

Some would also claim that pyramid building is prohibited on the aliens home planet for whatever reason, so members of their pyramid building society came to earth to freely excercise their hobby
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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:23 AM   #113
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There are some who claim that the pyramids were actually sophisticated machines

All Pyramids are Free Energy Machines - AETHERFORCE


Gizapower : The Official Chris Dunn Website

Some would also claim that pyramid building is prohibited on the aliens home planet for whatever reason, so members of their pyramid building society came to earth to freely excercise their hobby
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Old November 1st, 2016, 01:50 PM   #114
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If we take the ancient Vimanas of India as fact - then why was India so divided? Surely a bright and intelligent Indian / Mogul Prince could use airships, flying machines, UFOs, and nuclear power to unite all of India under a single banner and conquer the world.

Surely an Indian patriot could reverse-engineer a vimana in a futile attempt to achieve Indian Independence from foreign occupation - to my knowledge the only one known Indian patriot that could reverse-engineer a vimana for his own use was Prince Dakkar of Bundlekund (born 1808, died 1868 or 1869) (Prince Dakkar is also known as "Captain Nemo.")
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Old November 5th, 2016, 03:36 AM   #115
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If we take the ancient Vimanas of India as fact - then why was India so divided? Surely a bright and intelligent Indian / Mogul Prince could use airships, flying machines, UFOs, and nuclear power to unite all of India under a single banner and conquer the world.

Surely an Indian patriot could reverse-engineer a vimana in a futile attempt to achieve Indian Independence from foreign occupation - to my knowledge the only one known Indian patriot that could reverse-engineer a vimana for his own use was Prince Dakkar of Bundlekund (born 1808, died 1868 or 1869) (Prince Dakkar is also known as "Captain Nemo.")
Not a valid argument.... Others will contend that several factions had them so they fought each other to anihilation or stand still...
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Old November 10th, 2016, 05:04 PM   #116
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For those inclined, there are books such as Erich Von Daniken's "Chariot of the Gods".

My only comment is that, perhaps, there is a better term than ufologist. It looks very close to urologist.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 02:09 PM   #117

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I have to ask myself why an "alien civilization" that is capable of traveling great distances in space in super-sophisticated spacecraft presumably built out of thin-skinned metal alloys would amuse itself by wasting its time digging giant stone monoliths. Really?
Why not? their motives if they did do it could have been anything. Marking humans out for eventual conquering? Realising humans are sapient and leaving them to help us learn?
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Old November 14th, 2016, 11:46 PM   #118
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Why not? their motives if they did do it could have been anything. Marking humans out for eventual conquering? Realising humans are sapient and leaving them to help us learn?
Frankly I dont see how pyramids achieve any of that....
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So far human beings have visited, walking physically on its surface, only a celestial body: the Moon.

They have left some junks, some flags, some plaques and many footprints.

It seems that the aliens who have visited our planet have left pyramids everywhere ... and when they come back just for a weekend, they leave crop circles!
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So far human beings have visited, walking physically on its surface, only a celestial body: the Moon.

They have left some junks, some flags, some plaques and many footprints.

It seems that the aliens who have visited our planet have left pyramids everywhere ... and when they come back just for a weekend, they leave crop circles!
Well crop circles have been debunked

And we also have sent several probes/rovers to the surface of Mars

Perhaps aliens are environmentally cautious and they gather all their trash after their picnic is finished
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