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Old November 20th, 2016, 10:13 AM   #31

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If China offered a ton of cash to the US in order to get the technology to land on the Moon, then why wouldn't they?
Doing it with their own equipment would add to prestige.

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But tbh with how technology has increased from the 60s to now, surely they would already know what they needed to. I get that it must have been incredibly dangerous with 60s technology to land on our satellite, but now it must surely be far less hazardous?
Computer technology has advanced by leaps and bounds. But basically the same rocket technology is in use. I wouldn't say it was "incredibly dangerous" in the '60s and '70s. But it required a lot of careful planning and practice missions.

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I'm sure that if China lands on the Moon - regardless of which side - it will stir a little interest, but maybe just serve to remind people that this is 50 years after the US did it; as has been said, much more prestigious to go to Mars, and perhaps less dangerous than landing on the far side of the Moon?
I doubt it's less dangerous, as Mars missions are much longer and astronauts are much farther from any source of help if things go wrong.

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The other option is to establish some kind of permanent landing module; the beginnings of a 'base'?
Possible.

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As for rivalry, with Trump saying he wants to have better relations with China and Russia, what better way than a JOINT mission? Much better to aim rockets into space than at each other...
Sure but not as good if a key goal is enhancing one's own prestige.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 11:52 AM   #32

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China will conquer Mars ...


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my personal guess is that China will conquer Mars while US and Russia will be trying and go back to the Moon.

China is in the best condition to do that: a dictatorial state without problem about spending public money for this or that [no one in China will complain about lack of public services!]. It will be the Chinese flag to wave first in the Martian wind ...
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Old November 20th, 2016, 04:29 PM   #33

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Mah ...

my personal guess is that China will conquer Mars while US and Russia will be trying and go back to the Moon.

China is in the best condition to do that: a dictatorial state without problem about spending public money for this or that [no one in China will complain about lack of public services!]. It will be the Chinese flag to wave first in the Martian wind ...
Which brings up the question: How much longer will the people of China put up with a totalitarian communist dictatorship as a government. The People's Republic is anything but one!

To get moving into the future, capitalism was permitted and the Chinese are awesome at it. I think we are seeing the next major world power. I hope it remains peaceful and without conflicts with either Russia or the U.S. over power and territory.
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Old November 20th, 2016, 06:13 PM   #34

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my personal guess is that China will conquer Mars while US and Russia will be trying and go back to the Moon.

China is in the best condition to do that: a dictatorial state without problem about spending public money for this or that [no one in China will complain about lack of public services!]. It will be the Chinese flag to wave first in the Martian wind ...
That's my guess..
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Indeed, I also believe that joint missions should be the future of space exploration.
Human landing on Mars is too difficult and expensive for a single nation to undertake.

Unfortunately, earthly politics tend to get in the way of cooperation.

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Old December 3rd, 2016, 03:08 AM   #37

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my personal guess is that China will conquer Mars while US and Russia will be trying and go back to the Moon.
I suspect it may be the other way around.

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China is in the best condition to do that: a dictatorial state without problem about spending public money for this or that
That is indeed a very strong advantage.....


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[no one in China will complain about lack of public services!]. It will be the Chinese flag to wave first in the Martian wind ...
...but one problem is lack of anything approaching US experience, and proven technical competence. Look what happened early in 2004. A European craft crashed on Mars and a Japanese(?) one missed altogether. Both American craft--spirit and Opportunity--not only came down safely but have vastly exceeded mission lifetimes.
If you go even farther back, to early '74, it was no different. Four Soviet spacecraft Mars 4--7, generally did poorly or disastrously. A couple of years later the US Viking 1 and 2 did great.

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Old December 3rd, 2016, 03:17 AM   #38

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Which brings up the question: How much longer will the people of China put up with a totalitarian communist dictatorship as a government.
Why should they, when it seems to be working just fine, or great?

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To get moving into the future, capitalism was permitted and the Chinese are awesome at it.
The key to their success is cheap labor, making their goods competitive, and maximizing resources for investment instead of consumption. A nondemocratic regime no doubt facilitates such policies--which aren't exactly popular. Democratize the country, and it'll end up just like us--driving industry away because of high labor costs and living beyond our means via soaring debt....


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I think we are seeing the next major world power.
No due to our political system at least.
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My Lord, a rover on the Moon, how did I miss that?
What is interesting is how little coverage Chinese accomplishments in rocketry and space get in the Western press. The Chinese know that a real and irrefutable advancement in space will raise their country's stature in the world in the way it did for the US during the 60's and 70's.
People tend to take little interest, if any and all, in anything related to China. China is just uninteresting to media and people in the West. Journalism is a business and the bottom line is still profit. Reports will be made based on what kind of things people like. If China one day found a city on Mars with 100,000 population, only a few will hear about it. Because China is just uninteresting.
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Forgive me if I'm skeptical but it does appear that China faked their Shenzhou 7 spacewalk in 2008. Given things like that how can I be expected to believe what China's alleged capabilities are?

Sending satellites and rovers to the Moon isn't quite the same as sending a manned mission to the Moon either. No one other than the USA, not even the Soviet Union, sent manned missions to the Moon. China sent one man into space in 2003 and has supposedly sent more people since... like in 2008.

When we mention the specific missions and launches that China has done it would be best to mention the date and what the name of said mission was. That way it is easier to determine if there wasn't foul play involved.

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