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Old November 28th, 2016, 06:27 AM   #1

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Spanish conquest of Japan


Let's say Spain during the reign of Phillip II decides to invade Japan in 1570. How big a force would it be able to send, where would the invasion force land. How much success would it have in conquering the whole of Japan.
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No chance.
Too far. No tech advantage. Logistics alone would cripple them.
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They'd be eaten by ninjas.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 02:13 PM   #4

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The Japanese had been in contact with Europeans for some 30 years by 1570. Portugal, Netherlands and England all had trade posts there. The Japanese military were at a similar level to Europeans ... firearms, mounted warriors, proffesional infantry class... that's if a Spanish army can sail all the way around the world.

Japanese can field armies of up to 120 000 for some, united against nanban you can guess at two or three armies. These aren't Aztecs who've never seen a horse or gun with tens of thousands of rebels to join your cause. The manpower required is far greater than Spain can transport so far.
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Also Nobunaga.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 02:17 PM   #6

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The Spanish massed 55 000 for the armada on England. One of the biggest she had raised at the point.
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Much like the Mongol attempts to conquer Japan, it would have ended in disaster.
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The Spanish massed 55 000 for the armada on England. One of the biggest she had raised at the point.
Yes, but the Spanish weren't even able to convey all of those men over to England. They'd planned to ferry the soldiers across by barge, which might have been practical across a calm Channel, but not something they could have done from the nearest Spanish possession of the Philippines.
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Yes, but the Spanish weren't even able to convey all of those men over to England. They'd planned to ferry the soldiers across by barge, which might have been practical across a calm Channel, but not something they could have done from the nearest Spanish possession of the Philippines.
Exactly. And they lost about 10 000 men to disease and storms.... so we can guess trying to transport even more men from Spain all the way to the Philipenes and on to Japan would lose 2-3 times as many. Anybtroops making it to Japan would arrive piecemeal and be grossly outnumbered by a warlike and militarily competent people.

Best time to invade Japan by any western power would have been USA and/Or Russia in 1945.

Britain/France could feasibly have mounted a small successful expedition in the 1830-50s that could have taken part of Japan... maybe Hokkaido, Kyushu or Shikoku.
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Exactly. And they lost about 10 000 men to disease and storms.... so we can guess trying to transport even more men from Spain all the way to the Philipenes and on to Japan would lose 2-3 times as many. Anybtroops making it to Japan would arrive piecemeal and be grossly outnumbered by a warlike and militarily competent people.

Best time to invade Japan by any western power would have been USA and/Or Russia in 1945.

Britain/France could feasibly have mounted a small successful expedition in the 1830-50s that could have taken part of Japan... maybe Hokkaido, Kyushu or Shikoku.
And no doubt England and the Dutch rebels would have loved to see Spain stripping its military resources for a far fetched expedition on the other side of the world.
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