"Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492" - Page 5 - Historum

Sisyphus12 · March 29th, 2010, 10:51 AM

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Thank you, but yo are wrong my mother was a witch -yes, really - according to my Dad anyway)

Aren't they all?

JimR-OCDS · March 29th, 2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chookie

Thank you, but yo are wrong my mother was a witch -yes, really - according to my Dad anyway)

Did he spell "Witch" with a "B" ?

Jim

**Pedro** · March 29th, 2010, 11:14 AM

Thread moved to 'speculative history' by moderator.

Amish · March 29th, 2010, 11:21 AM

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Gesh, do you even read the information at the links you're posting?

Here's a piece from the John Allen articl you linked;

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This equation of Catholicism with resistance to the Nazis was solidified for Ratzinger by the numerous priests and religious in Germany who opposed the Third Reich and paid the ultimate price. At Dachau, for example, more than 1,000 of the dead were Catholic priests. By one estimate, 12,000 religious were victims of persecution and harassment by the Nazis, representing more than a third of the diocesan clergy.

Also, the Nazi party required members to denounce their religion, so Catholics would've had to denounce their faith to become members.
see "Nazi Terror : The Gestapo, Jews, and Ordinary Germans," by Eric Johnson

Faith? The Catholics follow the pope and priests who approved of Hitler's Nazis voting them into power, dissolving their Catholic Center Party yes, but only to join the rank and file, the party no longer needed. For the German Catholics it was a small change from following the priest to following Hitler, just another man. In fact a savior of Catholic nationalism against Protestant Prussia that was such a problem for the Catholics at that time.

There is no doubt there were many resisters who became victims of all faiths. The information relevant to Nazi Germany is the Catholic Center Party of the Vatican enabling the moves.

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Also, your link to Wikipedia of The Thule Society;

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The party dissolved itself on 5 July, 1933 as a condition of the conclusion of a Concordat between the Holy See and Germany.

Jim

That was the link for the Catholic Center Part? It was dissolved so they could join the Nazi party. The Zentrum was no longer needed under the enabling act.

JimR-OCDS · March 29th, 2010, 11:39 AM

Amish

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Faith? The Catholics follow the pope and priests who approved of Hitler's Nazis voting them into power, dissolving their Catholic Center Party yes, but only to join the rank and file, the party no longer needed.

Catholics who joined the Nazi party denounced their religious faith. It was a prerequisite of the Nazi Party.

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For the German Catholics it was a small change from following the priest to following Hitler, just another man.

Many priests and Bishops ended up in concentration camps as Hitler saw the Catholic Church as its enemy. You do know that the Vatican hid some 250,000 Jews inside its walls during the Nazi era? No, you probably don't that nor would you admit it.

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There is no doubt there were many resisters who became victims of all faiths. The information relevant to Nazi Germany is the Catholic Center Party of the Vatican enabling the moves.

The CCP was disolved in 1933, as the wikipedia link states. It mentions nothing about its being disolved so the Catholics could join the Nazi party.

Jim

**diddyriddick** · March 29th, 2010, 11:40 AM

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So this thread should be titled, Anti-Catholic Rant

Yep. Pretty much. Somebody has a very creative imagination.

JimR-OCDS · March 29th, 2010, 11:44 AM

BTW, you're accusation in the beginning of this thread that Columbus was a Franciscan, have proven to be false and there were no Knights Templar by the time Columbus sailed 1492.

Jim

**diddyriddick** · March 29th, 2010, 12:08 PM

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Thread moved to 'speculative history' by moderator.

Speculative history? Thats generous, P.

Sisyphus12 · March 29th, 2010, 12:09 PM

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BTW, you're accusation in the beginning of this thread that Columbus was a Franciscan, have proven to be false and there were no Knights Templar by the time Columbus sailed 1492.

Jim

I was under the impression that one could not be a "Franciscan" unless they were a monk, you know, brown robes, friar tuck kinda deal.