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Old August 11th, 2017, 02:23 PM   #1
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You, Commander Olivetti, are a leader of the Swiss Guard


Please use actual, historical Swiss Guard performances for the basis of this speculation.

You are Commander Olivetti of the one and only Swiss Guard at the Vatican and Rome. A Middle Eastern Hassassin (Hashashin; true Syrian assassin) kidnapped 4 Cardinals and threatened to blow up Rome with a real nuclear bomb. The killer is truly a professional, and this Hashashin buffed up his extraordinary mental and physical abilities with hashish.

You are no match for him one on one even if you are a truly elite soldier. If you follow the book, Angels and Demons, you will end up getting 'raped' by having your head twisted around your body.
The movie was slightly different, but the disparity is quite the same.


What are some of the legit things you would do. Remember, you cannot callously leave the people to die.

This should be a fun topic so have fun guys. I thought about posting this in the Lounge, but I want some historical accuracy so this is probably the best subforum.
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Please use actual, historical Swiss Guard performances for the basis of this speculation.

What are some of the legit things you would do. Remember, you cannot callously leave the people to die.

This should be a fun topic so have fun guys. I thought about posting this in the Lounge, but I want some historical accuracy so this is probably the best subforum.
First step would be to evacuate my family out of Rome.
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Ernesto Olivetti is not a Swiss Guard


In the scene of the movie it's all ok for the bad guy and all wrong for the good guys ...

Then, the Swiss Guard doesn't run around Rome, in a similar situation the Vatican would contact the Italian authorities [who keep the total reserve when the Vatican is involved, it has already happened in the case of a kidnapped girl].

Furthermore the commander Olivetti looks more as a commander of the Gendarmeria [Vatican police] than a commander of the Swiss Guard, actually. And as for I know [I read the book], Olivetti is the commander of the Gendarmeria.
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In any case, in reality, while the Swiss Guard would have increased the level of security around the Pope [not excluding the possibility to carry him away], the Gendarmeria [so commander Olivetti] would have investigated contacting the Italian authorities.

And, btw, to show a badge of the Vatican Gendarmeria, when you're handling a gun in the place of a gunfight, is useless. First you put the gun on the floor, then you show the badge.
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In the scene of the movie it's all ok for the bad guy and all wrong for the good guys ...

Then, the Swiss Guard doesn't run around Rome, in a similar situation the Vatican would contact the Italian authorities [who keep the total reserve when the Vatican is involved, it has already happened in the case of a kidnapped girl].

Furthermore the commander Olivetti looks more as a commander of the Gendarmeria [Vatican police] than a commander of the Swiss Guard, actually. And as for I know [I read the book], Olivetti is the commander of the Gendarmeria.
I trust you here and would like to thank you for remembering the book better than I did. Just assume that you guys are highly cooperative with each other and - as a higher officer of the Gendarmeria- you are still highly trained.

Still, if you ambushed the Hashashin alone given the lack of resource at the time, you would have your head twisted 180 degrees per book if I remember rightly.
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In any case, in reality, while the Swiss Guard would have increased the level of security around the Pope [not excluding the possibility to carry him away], the Gendarmeria [so commander Olivetti] would have investigated contacting the Italian authorities.

And, btw, to show a badge of the Vatican Gendarmeria, when you're handling a gun in the place of a gunfight, is useless. First you put the gun on the floor, then you show the badge.
Thanks again for the insight!! But the Pope is dead in this case and the Vatican priests and all authorities are adamant about finding the 4 kidnapped Cardinals.
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Thanks again for the insight!! But the Pope is dead in this case and the Vatican priests and all authorities are adamant about finding the 4 kidnapped Cardinals.
Good remark, I was forgetting the context.

After the death of the Pope the main assignment of the Swiss Guard is to ensure that the "enclave" can elect the new Pope ... in the Sistine Chapel or somewhere else. The Swiss Guard can manage to move the entire enclave in an other place without troubles, overall thanks to the cooperation of the Italian authorities.

The Swiss Guard will never look for the 4 kidnapped Cardinals. The Gerdarmeria would ... contacting the Italian authorities [exactly how the Vatican Gerdarmeria did in the case of a kidnapped girl decades ago].
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The Swiss Guard will never look for the 4 kidnapped Cardinals. The Gerdarmeria would ... contacting the Italian authorities [exactly how the Vatican Gerdarmeria did in the case of a kidnapped girl decades ago].
Poor Cardinals
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I trust you here and would like to thank you for remembering the book better than I did. Just assume that you guys are highly cooperative with each other and - as a higher officer of the Gendarmeria- you are still highly trained.

Still, if you ambushed the Hashashin alone given the lack of resource at the time, you would have your head twisted 180 degrees per book if I remember rightly.
Vatican Gerdarmeria is a police corp with a level of training comparable with the one of the Italian police [they are brutal, hard hitters and a bit racist ... at least this is the common image of Italian police ... ].

May be I have to underline something about the movie: Italian Carabinieri don't look that better than common police in the movie. Reality is a bit different ... Carabinieri are well trained soldiers with advanced equipment. I'm not sure that they would be so vulnerable ...

Anyway ... back to Swiss Guard.

A part that it's not that easy to take seriously soldiers wearing a pajamas ... they are more trained than you could imagine, they have got well effective weapons and they believe in what they are doing [I mean they've got faith]. Better for everybody to leave them in peace.

In February 2015 the Commander of the Swiss Guard, Christoph Graph, had interviewed about the Islamic State and he declared [with not so evident emotion] that The Guard is ready to defend the Pope.

In other words he has told Islamists ... "if you want some, come and get some!".
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