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Old August 16th, 2017, 11:19 AM   #41

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Don't know if you saw that last line, but I'd certainly be very interested in your take on UFOs. It is a vast topic. I am not an expert necessarily, but focus on the aspects that interest me. I don't necessarily have all of the information at my fingertips, but can usually bring things up with Google that I remember from past reading. Did you have your own experience? That is what galvanized me.
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Old August 17th, 2017, 12:22 AM   #42

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AlpinLuke,
Don't know if you saw that last line, but I'd certainly be very interested in your take on UFOs. It is a vast topic. I am not an expert necessarily, but focus on the aspects that interest me. I don't necessarily have all of the information at my fingertips, but can usually bring things up with Google that I remember from past reading. Did you have your own experience? That is what galvanized me.
Yes I did, I've been an investigative ufologist for years when I was young. I developed an insane passion for UFOs at about 20 and it accompanied me for years and years. Still today I indulge in reading works and reports about UFOS.

In particular my field of research was about the vehicles that the supposed aliens would use to reach this planet. About this I've got a good collection of works and copies of documents [in general coming from the works published by the CUN, National Ufologist Center].

It was a nice adventure. It came to an end when I realized that there were too many ufologists who "wanted to believe" instead of understanding the phenomenon.

In any case, it has been something important in my youth [this means in the 90's, I'm not so old!].
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About what I think about UFOs, I do think they are a real phenomenon, but regarding its nature, it's still to be proven that they are generally alien vehicles.

Now, there is who dismisses the whole mass of reports as explainable natural or physical phenomenon [misinterpretation of human technology included]. Personally there are some cases [and not exactly a few] which are beyond what we can explain today. Does this mean that aliens have been visiting us?

I concede myself the doubt, but not the certainty.
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Old August 17th, 2017, 02:57 AM   #44

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Thank you. I do not know how people cannot be fascinated with it.
Your conclusion is very wise. I felt that way until 2010; it was obvious that something unusual was going on, very unususl, in some of the "unknown" cases. It's s pretty overwhelming topic.

I hope you have a chance in your lifetime to see these things. I wish a lot of people could. I don't understand why some get to see them and others don't. It has become tragicc to me, as weird as that sounds. Everyone should be able to know it before they die. And we have a right to know, though I think there might be a number of disturbing reasons to keep it secret. This level of contact might be right now.
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Thank you. I do not know how people cannot be fascinated with it.
Your conclusion is very wise. I felt that way until 2010; it was obvious that something unusual was going on, very unususl, in some of the "unknown" cases. It's a pretty overwhelming topic.

I hope you have a chance in your lifetime to see these things. I wish a lot of people could. I don't understand why some get to see them and others don't. It has become tragicc to me, as weird as that sounds. Everyone should be able to know it before they die. And we have a right to know, though I think there might be a number of disturbing reasons to keep it secret. This level of contact might be all for right now.

The experience changed my life.

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About to watch "Australiens" and "Unacknowledged" on Netfkix. We'll see.

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About to watch "Australiens" and "Unacknowledged" on Netfkix. We'll see.

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Both pretty good.
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Old September 2nd, 2017, 06:29 AM   #48

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I am VERY looking forward to reading this new book:
https://www.amazon.com/Grassroots-UF...rassroots+UFOs

I believe that the experiences by average people are orchestrated to maintain a certain level of contact.


Here is a review:

5.0 out of 5 starsA VERY IMPORTANT BOOK -- HERE'S WHY
ByRay D. Stanfordon May 4, 2011
Format: Paperback
To anyone who seriously would like to get an in-depth concept of the incredible range of phenomena reportedly associated with UFOs, this extraordinary book is a must. Better than that, it's a phenomenologist's 'mother lode'.

Some of my qualifications for calling Grass Roots UFOs one of the most important books on the subject, ever, are: I've been quite actively involved in studying the objects not only as reports since 1952, but, since 1973, in successfully recording their images and effects with sophisticated instruments, including a recording gravimeter, a recording magnetometer, spectrographic camera, audio recorder, movie and other cameras, etc. resulting in some in-depth analysis of the objects and their physical phenomena. Following my on-site investigation with Dr. J. Allen Hynek (chief consultant to the USAF UFO project) I 'wrote-the-book', literally, on North America's most well-documented close encounter of the third kind, the daylight landing of a highly strange object with two diminutive occupants clad in white 'coveralls', on April 24,1964. (Socorro Saucer in A Pentagon Pantry, Blueapple books, 1976)

That background, including the UFO study with instruments, informs me that many of the even highly strange cases described in Grass Roots UFOs are not the products of mistaken observations or of deranged minds, but are simply the observations and experiences of honest, and often very intelligent people, of objects and phenomena that many of the observers would never have considered possible until their encounters.

The book's section on pre-1947 cases informs us, for example, of a "silvery, shiny" cigar-shaped object seen in 1902! We read of a dirigible-shaped mothership with shuttles going from and to it, seen in 1926 or 27. These are hardly post-Kenneth Arnold flights of fantasy, because the observations happened long before June 24, 1947. I also find them credible because my project and I have daylight-movie-filmed such objects as described back then, beginning with a nine-witness encounter with two movie cameras filming simultaneously, on July 28, 1959. Large objects releasing much smaller craft suggest conservation of energy, possibility for transportation across very great distances, and explain what UFO skeptics claim is a problem of too many objects for them to have traversed interstellar distances individually.

Grassroots UFOs has several cases of non-spreading, collimated, slowly projecting, glowing beams extending and, often, retracting back to, sky objects. Science fiction? Hardly. Why do I believe anything so bizarre sounding? Well, for one reason, in broad daylight, in mid-afternoon, on October 5, 1985, and in the presence of abundant witnesses, I, along with my two eldest children and others, filmed a domed disc-shaped object as it approached, paused almost overhead, and projected such a 'telescoping' beam through which several smaller objects departed at high speed and flew away. The beam then slowly retracted back to the larger craft, which disappeared by going into the distance almost straight up!

The relatively exotic physics my project's instruments have documented operating around, and projected far from, anomalous aerial objects, can explain many of the wonderful, seemingly incredible things you can intellectually feast upon in Grass Roots UFOs. As a result, I find many of them quite credible.

Frankly, at age 73, and as the most seasoned researcher into these phenomena alive today, I tire of book authors who are so cowardly of the mystery that they dare only present readers with reports from persons with military stripes and metals, or with a Ph.D. behind the observers name. In wonderfully refreshing contrast, Grass Roots UFOs lets us read what anyone, from high-estate to the 'average Jane or Joe' had to report, merely out of their need to tell a willing-to-listen John P. Timmerman of what many of them had kept very private until they saw him with his Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS) photo exhibit.

Immerse yourself in the most diverse, refreshing, and just plain wonderful UFO book to come along in decades. You've my word on it, and no one asked me to say that. The book simply demands I recommend it. I'm not suggesting you believe all of it, but please examine it. You owe it to yourself.

It's a feast! Enjoy!

Ray Stanford
a 59-year veteran in this study
Founder, Organization for Physical UFO Science
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Old September 2nd, 2017, 07:50 AM   #49

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October 10th 1989 ... Russian TASS reports that an enormous UFO took land in Voronezh [in the park of the city]. From the object some 4mt high creatures came out.

The aspect of the beings was really particular ... with heads on the chest and a robot like structure. They had 3 eyes and a little robot with them.

This could look like a fantasy tale ... but Soviet authorities found physical evidences of the landing [not an irrelevant detail!]. 20mt diameter area with cavities compatible with a geometrical aerodynamic vehicle.
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October 10th 1989 ... Russian TASS reports that an enormous UFO took land in Voronezh [in the park of the city]. From the object some 4mt high creatures came out.

The aspect of the beings was really particular ... with heads on the chest and a robot like structure. They had 3 eyes and a little robot with them.

This could look like a fantasy tale ... but Soviet authorities found physical evidences of the landing [not an irrelevant detail!]. 20mt diameter area with cavities compatible with a geometrical aerodynamic vehicle.
Have heard of that one. I think something as advanced as these things appear to be, could probably cause us to have any experience it wants us to.

VORONEZH ALIENS: (RUSSIA) - Cryptopia - Exploring The Hidden World

The shoot 'em down order after they flew over the US capitol building repeatedly:
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Anyone care to make a guess what is being ejected from the bottom of this UFO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrozavodsk_phenomenon

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