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Old September 3rd, 2017, 09:51 AM   #51

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heard a theory somewhere
the aliens need gold for their technology
they land on earth so they can use human labor to dig their gold
once they got what they wanted they left

freaky branch theory is that they genetically engineered existing primates to 'humans' as more efficient gold diggers.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 10:02 AM   #52

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heard a theory somewhere
the aliens need gold for their technology
they land on earth so they can use human labor to dig their gold
once they got what they wanted they left

freaky branch theory is that they genetically engineered existing primates to 'humans' as more efficient gold diggers.
Yes, thats an Ancient Aliens, Sitchinesque theory. it is amazing to me how insidious and deep-rooted our humanocentric biases are. i think the phenomenon is in reality disturbingly strange and it would be difficult for humans to have constant contact with it

That book I am starting to read i mentioned earlier looks like it might be on target. Robert Bigelow purchased the Skinwalker Ranch sometime ago, where some unusual stuff has happened. i would sctually put "Mothman" in the Skinwalker Category.

Bigelow on 60 Minutes, again:

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Old September 3rd, 2017, 10:11 AM   #53

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I've read the works of Zecharia Sitchin.

His problem was that he was "one way".

Aliens can have interfered with our ancient past, but Sitchin was persuaded that all the "ancient aliens" were An.nu.na.ki coming from a less or more fantastic planet X.

My personal opinion starts from a consideration:

this planet is in a quite lonely area of an arm of the galaxy after the so called "Orion pause" [a region with a very low star density]. Probably it's not that predictable the presence of a civilization like the human one in such a remote area ... may be we attract the interests of several "neighbors".
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 10:19 AM   #54

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With my experience, especially the circumstances i learned about later, it continues to have a profound impact on me. Right after it happened I was out of work with shingles for several weeks. kept running it over and over in my head, started drinking more, decided to stop permanently.

Along with the circumstances, there were no other cars around; something very strange in itself (I-5). i used to think i was in right place at right time but now i think it was intentional, as with pop singer Kesha's sighting at a distance. i think phenomenon can calculate where and when to be to reveal itself, can stay cloaked for long periods, and are in our oceans, too. McMinnville, my objects, could have come from ocean.

i watched "I Know What I Saw" about 100 times, because it was comforting to see others with similar experiences.

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Old September 3rd, 2017, 10:41 AM   #55

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Watched "Unacknowledged". on Netflix. Greer thinks that presidents are temporary employees , and those with a "need to know" and know, also know that they and or family will be killed if they break the silence code. i don't know about all of that, but i must say that when presidents are confronted with the question on Kimmel and other talk shows, their reactions are ODD, to say the very least.
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Old September 3rd, 2017, 10:47 AM   #56

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I've read the works of Zecharia Sitchin.

His problem was that he was "one way".

Aliens can have interfered with our ancient past, but Sitchin was persuaded that all the "ancient aliens" were An.nu.na.ki coming from a less or more fantastic planet X.

My personal opinion starts from a consideration:

this planet is in a quite lonely area of an arm of the galaxy after the so called "Orion pause" [a region with a very low star density]. Probably it's not that predictable the presence of a civilization like the human one in such a remote area ... may be we attract the interests of several "neighbors".
i think it is perfectly possible that the same phenomenon was seen by ancient peoples; it might have even inspired them to build some structures, but did not help build them.

As i told my parents, if ancient people saw what i did, they CERTAINLY would have thought they were seeing gods or some divine manifestation, and reports go very far back.

i suspect that the objects in the sky in Nuremburg and Basel in 1651 seen in the famous prints, were the same as the Farmington UFO Armada objects, just coming back through again. Movements of objects were the same.

This is one of the best pics ever taken. You are gazing at our visitors..
Click the image to open in full size.

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Old September 7th, 2017, 05:24 AM   #57

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Skeptico interviews Dr. Jacques Vallée. Doodoo meets fan?

http://skeptiko.com/jacques-vallee-d...ists-deny-359/

"Dr. Jacques Vallée: Yes and the UFO problem isn’t among the people who accept the reality of the phenomenon, it’s still viewed as spacecraft, you know, spacecraft, some like ours. People talk about, “Let’s look at the propulsion and let’s look at what kind of fuel they leave behind,” which is fine, but they ignore most of what the witnesses are desperately trying to tell them, which is that this is also a parapsychological phenomenon, that it impacts their consciousness."
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Note the crease in the disc at the trailing side; the hull is flexible. The objects I saw in 2010 (in my avatar) were over or very close to that farm, and my office mate for 20+ years grew up directly next door to the Trents --his parents knew them:




Great interview:
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That is a good question. I suppose it might depend on the nature of the aliens. If they were incredibly advanced machines, or represented by them here, they might fly in the face of everything Seth Shostak and Hollywood envisions; they could just ignore us, seeing our planet as an interesting stop in their travels, keeping us under surveillance and stopping to regenerate / rebuild / recompile their technologies. If attacked they would respond, but we are probably just not worth it. They would treat us like we treat squirrels, or wild populations we want to preserve. seems to be the situation. It might be an error to assume that the little craft are coming from far away; they could be coming from much larger cloaked craft, or they could have been here all along, perhaps creating life here. They also might NOT be coming from far away, and remain undetected. If you believe that UFOs are a real advanced, non-human technology (and half of you might not), the question remains, what the heck would they want with us??? Then again, if life is relatively rare, we would be interesting, especially if they / it went through a similar time.

With the Egyptians?? Same thing; watch, keep under surveillance; leave probes in oceans --travel around for a few hundred years, and pass back by again.

With any luck, a Farmington or Basel Switzerland event will happen over a major city for a few days; then there would be no doubt.
Makes you wonder what squirrels think is happening when a crew is helicoptered in to build a remote radio tower.

Future generations of squirrels of course just accepting that the tower has always been there.
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Makes you wonder what squirrels think is happening when a crew is helicoptered in to build a remote radio tower.

Future generations of squirrels of course just accepting that the tower has always been there.
The squirrels that don't get to see the helicopter, are sure that the other squirrels are crazy or lying. They would suggest that their advanced technology of climbing trees for nuts and munching and gazing at the sky would have seen them by now! They would argue that they are the most intelligent animals in the world --what with their ability to bury nuts and chase each other around trees. No, it cannot possibly be that things are more bushy-tailed or brighter-eyed than they.... Until.. Some squirrels in the know, decide to try and hide the fact that helicopters are visiting, and learn to steal bits of food from the visitors who feed them --they keep the food and feeding a secret from the other squirrels and deny that the visitors exist! More crews come back.. Eventually half of the squirrel population believes helicopters are landing crews for some purpose.. Then a lot of work gets done.. A road is put in, and strange things begin to speed along it.. the skeptical squirrels insist that the strange speeding things are just big friendly animals (or weather balloons) that will move out of the way when they cross the road.

The skeptics are slowly flattened into road pizza.
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