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Old October 11th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #1
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Australia, a French colony ?


During the European explorations around Australia, just before British settlements, there were some minor interactions between the British and the French . The French were interested, made a few visits over time and looking around in various places , they were keeping an eye on British expansion but also where on a scientific expedition.

Now, the French, being somewhat more 'romantically viewing' the 'noble savage' , had no problem describing what they saw ;

" D’Entrecasteaux wrote approvingly:

' ... this small tribe seems to offer the most
perfect image of the first state of society,
where men are not yet stirred by
passions, nor corrupted by the vices
which civilisation sometimes brings
with it. ... Less advanced in civilisation
than the people of New Zealand, they
also lack their ferocious temperament.
The hatreds that divide the inhabitants
of that island appear unknown in this
part of New Holland. "

Now, Cook reported similar , but such reports were censored from his 'official diaries' and he was punished, in subtle ways , for expressing such sentiments.

So, my speculative scenario is about ; what if Australia had been colonised by the French ?

How would that have impacted on the native population ? On the implementation of settlement , farming and the environment .

Would it have been better .... yet in the long term, would the vastness of the interior have replaced the Pacific for France's huge nuclear weapons testing ?


Ref ;

http://www.heritageaustralia.com.au/...Connection.pdf


\French in Australia | State Library of New South Wales
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Old October 11th, 2017, 01:50 PM   #2

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australia colony french they spoke the French, if it were Portuguese colony they spoke Portuguese if it were Spanish they spoke Spanish Castilian etc.
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They would speak French and the cities and towns would have French names. More wine, less beer. Nude swimming would be OK unless you were ugly. The food would be better but the politics would be worse. They would have had an emperor, then a king, than president, then an emperor again. After 1870 they would have had presidents as a part of metropolitan France. After WWII they would have demanded and gotten independence because De Gaulle wouldn't have liked their being friendly with the US. It's likely the US would have supported Les Australiens in blocking any Vichy attempt to rule.

And no nukes.

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The first thing the French would do in its colony of Australia would be not calling Australia a colony.
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The first thing the French would do in its colony of Australia would be not calling Australia a colony.
Well, they were called colonies by the British until they were united in 1901. At that time the country become a dominion. Their fundamental status hasn't changed since, although they are de facto an independent nation now. The current (republican) French model is to consider all overseas territories as an integral part of France (called Metropolitan France). The upside is that the adult overseas population has full French citizenship and presumably can move to France and vice versa.

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France had a hard time beating Britain in claiming overseas territory like India, Canada, America...

Largely because of the Royal Navy

France only had territories that Britain didn't want

If Britain wanted Australia, it was going to be British.
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France had a hard time beating Britain in claiming overseas territory like India, Canada, America...

Largely because of the Royal Navy

France only had territories that Britain didn't want

If Britain wanted Australia, it was going to be British.
The French had a big piece of Africa up to the 1960s: Algeria, Morocco, French West Africa, French Equatorial Africa and Madagascar. They also had French Indo China. There were some Anglo-French tensions in the late 19th and early 20th centuries over colonial expansion in Africa and the Mideast, but they worked it out without war.

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The French had a big piece of Africa up to the 1960s: Algeria, Morocco, French West Africa, French Equatorial Africa and Madagascar. They also had French Indo China. There were some Anglo-French tensions in the late 19th and early 20th centuries over colonial expansion in Africa and the Mideast, but they worked it out without war.
Did the British want any of those territories ?
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Did the British want any of those territories ?
I don't know. They didn't want the French in the Mideast after WWI but they ceded Syria and Lebanon to France. They supported the French taking Morocco in 1905, in opposition to Germany. I think they didn't want any more wars, especially after WWI, and they were willing to negotiate. Look at old maps. The French dominated West Africa except the coastal south. These territories were relatively close to the homeland. The British possessions were mostly in East Africa and depended on the Suez Canal for economical access to the homeland.

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Now, Cook reported similar , but such reports were censored from his 'official diaries' and he was punished, in subtle ways , for expressing such sentiments.
What an utter load of BS. Give me one example of this.
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