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Old November 5th, 2017, 06:17 PM   #1

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If the USA annexed Mexico


I recalled that the USA once had the opportunity to annex all of Mexico; instead, Mexico ceded all of its northern territories.
What might have happened if the USA annexed all of Mexico? It would be the second largest country today.
Would we have much more English speakers today?
How significant would be Spanish today?
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Old November 6th, 2017, 07:33 AM   #2

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If you mean during the Mexican war, it would have been impractical to annex all of Mexico. At the time America was mostly based east of the Mississippi river, barely enforcing control on the west coast. Maintaining control over southern Mexico with a hostile population would have been very difficult. In the unlikely event that it did work, Mexico would have remained a Spanish speaking autonomous area like Puerto Rico.
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Old November 6th, 2017, 08:08 AM   #3

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I can't see the US doing that at the time. It would have been too hard to control. However, when the French invaded Mexico in 1861, they could have worked with the Americans and together they might have controlled it. If that had happened, it would have resulted in a lot more French speakers in North America today, and both France and US would have been stronger in the past. As for the population of Mexico, the Indigenous sectors would have ended up much smaller, and those of Spanish descent would have been somewhat assimilated, with Spanish remaining as a type of dialect and not an official language.
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I can't see the US doing that at the time. It would have been too hard to control. However, when the French invaded Mexico in 1861, they could have worked with the Americans and together they might have controlled it. If that had happened, it would have resulted in a lot more French speakers in North America today, and both France and US would have been stronger in the past. As for the population of Mexico, the Indigenous sectors would have ended up much smaller, and those of Spanish descent would have been somewhat assimilated, with Spanish remaining as a type of dialect and not an official language.
However, the US supported Mexico due to the Monroe doctrine, sending arms and soldiers who's terms had expired south to help Mexico against France. There is an interesting argument that, had France became more involved, the US might have directly intervened on Mexico's behalf.
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The USA in the 19th century was a white supremacist society. At the time of the Mexican-American War, they were already coming to political blows about what to do with the black slaves and freemen in American society. Adding millions of non-whites to the U.S. West at a time when it was only tenuously held, would have been an enormous destabilizing force.
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It would be interesting to see whether or not the grand plans of some Southern pro-slavery activists to expand slavery across Central America would work. Probably not.
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It would be interesting to see whether or not the grand plans of some Southern pro-slavery activists to expand slavery across Central America would work. Probably not.
I imagine everyone except the small plantation class were glad that didn't occur.
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However, the US supported Mexico due to the Monroe doctrine, sending arms and soldiers who's terms had expired south to help Mexico against France. There is an interesting argument that, had France became more involved, the US might have directly intervened on Mexico's behalf.
Had France become more involved, I believe Britain and Germany would have intervened on Mexico's behalf, but it all seems to have been a means of preventing France from dominating Europe once again. The ordeal was a huge loss for France, but if they had been able to persuade the US to join them, I think they could have gained the trading they desired. Sure, the Americans were opposed to it, but the Europeans were in favor of it at the start and then changed their minds, so the Americans could have done the same.
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In short: imperial overreach leading to an earlier, vastly more complicated civil war in the 1850s that likely ends with the U.S. imploding into successor republics.

While it would be incredibly difficult for the U.S. Congress (much less the Mexican Congress) to approve annexing all of Mexico to the United States, there is a way to make this effectively occur. The Polk Administration rejects the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo (for any number of reasons), the provisional Mexican government collapses, and the U.S. Army is mired in a Mexico that no longer has a central government with which to negotiate a peace. The U.S. is then stuck in the position of open-ended occupation, gobbling up the Yucatan and those lands north of Tampico that it desires, while remaining unsure quite what to do with the rest of the country.
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In short: imperial overreach leading to an earlier, vastly more complicated civil war in the 1850s that likely ends with the U.S. imploding into successor republics.
Wouldn't it be more likely for the U.S. to simply withdraw from southern Mexico than to have it collapse in this scenario?
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