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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:21 AM   #91
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:42 AM   #92
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Yes, 30,000 t displacement ships debark troops at down in Vancouver Island and Vancouver which are certainly not defended in peacetime, without any threat of war. They also land in Acapulco, Tijuana, Tehuantepec (both coasts), Havana, Veracruz, Tampico, San Francisco, New Orleans, Mobile, Halifax, Quebec, ST John's, Iceland, etc, all extremely weak and excellent U-boot and plane bases.
Japanese landing in Quebec and Iceland ? How do they get there ?

New Orleans ? Mobile ?..... why not directly in Washington DC and New York ?
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:59 PM   #93
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That's not logically coherent. You almost randomly picked places on a map without recourse to what they are supposed to do, how they are supposed to be supplied, and how long it will be before they are killed to a man.
EDIT: Assuming they had the capacity-they didn't- half of that would be intercepted by naval forces coming around the Straits in South America. Assuming they somehow made it:

*Vancouver is literally in the middle of nowhere during WWII. They land and...sit.
*Tijuana is the same. You are in striking distance of US bombers.
*Acapulco is the same. You are in striking distance of US bombers.
*Veracruz means you just went to war with Mexico.
* Havana means you just went to war with Cuba, in striking distance of US bombers.
* Halifax? Quebec? Iceland? What?
*New Orleans? 30,000 Japanese would be slaughtered in days.

Why don't just say they land troops in Washington, NYC, and London? If we're playing make believe, aim higher. I counter of course by saying the US marines land in Tokyo and arrest the Emperor in 1928. Why? Why not?
Vancouver is next to invaluable Seattle (Boeing), Bremerton, Portland, Grand Coulee and Dalles dams and an excellent base for submarines and planes to decimate US shipping. By advancing Inland in Canada and Montana by seized train, they gain acces to invade or bomb US industry in Chicago, Detroit, etc,

Tijuana is next to San Diego and close to aviation industry, oilfields and refinery, etc, in California and Hoover dam, so it is invaluable for Japan and it is undefended.

Believe it or not, in peacetime there were Japanese ships throughout the Atlantic. And Japan is seizing Tehuantepec and its railroad to transport Japanese, Chinese and Indian troops to the Gulf in hours.

The US airfore in 1939 is a sad Joke, it cannot defend San Diego, much less Acapulco. Just to declare war, Congress would take days of debate. Roosevelt cannot do it.

As I said, Mexico would capitulate as soon as Mexico City and Puebla are bombed and the Japanese control the oilfields and main port in Veracruz

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Old January 2nd, 2018, 02:45 PM   #94

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You did not counter how Japan stops the Marines from arresting the Emperor?

You know Hoover dam is something like 300 miles from Tijuana right?

You don't know anything about Mexicans do you. They do not capitulate. Also how are you bombing Mexico City again?

I counter with Mexico volunteering 1,000,000 troops to be equipped by the US. They are shipped by train to your locations and exterminate the Japanese. Later they help occupy Japan along with Cuba. Upside is Japan discovers Mescal and rum.
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I just realized. I think we are needing trolled. Good job!
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 12:49 PM   #96
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You did not counter how Japan stops the Marines from arresting the Emperor?

You know Hoover dam is something like 300 miles from Tijuana right?

You don't know anything about Mexicans do you. They do not capitulate. Also how are you bombing Mexico City again?

I counter with Mexico volunteering 1,000,000 troops to be equipped by the US. They are shipped by train to your locations and exterminate the Japanese. Later they help occupy Japan along with Cuba. Upside is Japan discovers Mescal and rum.
If only you read the thread before making silly comments. Mexico has practically no army, navy or air force and is invaded in its main ports in the Atlantic and Pacific. As in every other previous invasion (Cortes, the US in 1847 and the French in 1862, all with ridiculous forces) Mexico collapses, In this case after being bombed and massacred by Japanese forces, they do it in days, rather than the years it took cortes or months it took American troops landed in Veracruz (without resistance) to walk around the country, trouncing the Mexicans.

General Howe used more and better landing craft to land with cavalry in 1765 in Manhattan than the Marine corp had in 1939. He and his admiral brother designed the boats, which the marines somehow did not adopt.

Japanese seaplanes from plane tenders and assembled, crated planes can easily bomb Mexico City, which is quite close to Acapulco. Not to mention carrier planes, most of which are attacking San Diego from Tijuana. Bremerton from Vancouver Island, etc, Japanese troops riding on seized trains arrive in Mexico City in a day and start shelling it. If the Japanase swept the Marines and US Army in the PI, Guam, Wake, Java, etc, (despite US planes in the area) and through the Indian, British and Australian forces (with British officers) in Malaya, Burma, Singapore, 2,000 Canadians plus Indians in Honk Kong, etc, a few hundred Mexican policemen with revolvers and poorly armed, green soldiers with 7 mm Mausers are not going to stop Yamashita's men.

300 miles is less than Yamashita's few divisions pedaled through jungle along both Malayan coasts, defended by 100,000 Indians, etc, to Singapore (Churchill's impregnable fortress), taking 2 months. Riding the train 300 miles from Tijuana in 1939, through undefended territory on both sides of the border takes hours.

Despite a ridiculously huge navy, air force, marine force and army and Japan having lost already millions of men for years of war, with the Soviets killing or capturing more Japanese in a week than the Americans, Dutch, British and Anzacs did in 3.5 years of war, US forces were so affraid of landing in Japan, that they used the only 2 Nuclear bombs they had to induce Japan to capitulate. So, incompetent marines in 1939 are not going to take the imperial pallace. Actually the whole Marine force in 1939 is a joke, regarding size, armament, tactics (landing boats), planes, etc, a marine required a ton of supplies a day, while a Japanese soldiers and marines received a few lb per day at most, yet took in a few months more territory than US troops did in 3.5 years of war.

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If only you read the thread before making silly comments. Mexico has practically no army, navy or air force and is invaded in its main ports in the Atlantic and Pacific. As in every other previous invasion (Cortes, the US in 1847 and the French in 1862, all with ridiculous forces) Mexico collapses, In this case after being bombed and massacred by Japanese forces, they do it in days, rather than the years it took cortes or months it took American troops landed in Veracruz (without resistance) to walk around the country, trouncing the Mexicans.
Well the Mexicans fought far more harder than the Japanese did when the US arrived during the same period. Following your logic they would be far more dangerous than any Japanese soldier ever was.

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Japanese seaplanes from plane tenders and assembled, crated planes can easily bomb Mexico City, which is quite close to Acapulco.
-seaplanes were used for recon not combat, and there were very few of them in a fleet, unless you're talking carrier planes which would have all been destroyed when the US fleet obliterates the Japanese fleet in March 1941.
-Acapulco is not close to Mexico. Please consult a map.

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Not to mention carrier planes, most of which are attacking San Diego from Tijuana.
Carrier planes are attacking from a small town now? Marines, Mexican patriots, and Zoot Suits would have already rioted and taken out any offenders in Tijiuana. One does not merely walk into Tijuana, not with ten thousand men could one do this. There are things beside orks that linger there...

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Bremerton from Vancouver Island, etc, Japanese troops riding on seized trains arrive in Mexico City in a day and start shelling it.
How are they going to seize trains? Trains move, and they would move away from any sad sack Japanese troops, who don't even have trucks or proper sunscreen.

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If the Japanase swept the Marines and US Army in the PI, Guam, Wake, Java, etc,
Ask the Japanese how they swept the marines in Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, Tarawa, and Okinawa. Oh wait, they didn't. They died.

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(despite US planes in the area) and through the Indian, British and Australian forces (with British officers) in Malaya, Burma, Singapore,
Surprise attacks are wonders. There would be no surprise attack. When China joined with Japan the British would have immediately sent a stern note to the Emperor, because thats just not cricket.

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Thats before the Canadians weaponized maple syrup and mooses (meese?). After that they were unstoppable. Everyone knows that.


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300 miles is less than Yamashita's few divisions pedaled through jungle along both Malayan coasts, defended by 100,000 Indians, etc, to Singapore
yes but this is the US and Mexico. We have the internal combustion engine powered by FREEDOM (TM). Plus Superman lives in Hollywood. Superman doesn't play around. Just ask the space Nazis.

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(Churchill's impregnable fortress).
His bottle of Scotch? Hitler tried to mess with Churchill's scotch. look what happened there.
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a few hundred Mexican policemen with revolvers and poorly armed, green soldiers with 7 mm Mausers are not going to stop Yamashita's men.
Those 7 mm Mausers are vastly superior too an Arisakai in 6.5 Jap. The GIs dubbed them Spanish Hornets out of respect. The GIs had no respect for Arasaki junk. The Japs despite being fanatical warriors definitely bit off waaaay more than they could chew. They never had a chance. Like a Chihuahua attacking a sleeping ST Bernard. Did no one ever show the emperor a globe with the correct sizes too scale of the USA vs Japan? Lunacy. Lots of balls, I'll give emm that, but no brains. Also unlike Japan in the USA almost all those millions of fighting age young men were already riflemen before they lost their baby teeth. Samurai swords, ninjas & karate look spiffy, but riflemen win wars.

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Also Superman, and Canadians riding meese into combat. That's how we won and the Battle of Coral Sea. Meese can swim, and they swam from Australia and ambushed the Japanese fleet. In fact the only thing that stopped them from invading Japan was Godzilla. true story.
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If only you read the thread before making silly comments. Mexico has practically no army, navy or air force and is invaded in its main ports in the Atlantic and Pacific. As in every other previous invasion (Cortes, the US in 1847 and the French in 1862, all with ridiculous forces) Mexico collapses, In this case after being bombed and massacred by Japanese forces, they do it in days, rather than the years it took cortes or months it took American troops landed in Veracruz (without resistance) to walk around the country, trouncing the Mexicans.

General Howe used more and better landing craft to land with cavalry in 1765 in Manhattan than the Marine corp had in 1939. He and his admiral brother designed the boats, which the marines somehow did not adopt.

Japanese seaplanes from plane tenders and assembled, crated planes can easily bomb Mexico City, which is quite close to Acapulco. Not to mention carrier planes, most of which are attacking San Diego from Tijuana. Bremerton from Vancouver Island, etc, Japanese troops riding on seized trains arrive in Mexico City in a day and start shelling it. If the Japanase swept the Marines and US Army in the PI, Guam, Wake, Java, etc, (despite US planes in the area) and through the Indian, British and Australian forces (with British officers) in Malaya, Burma, Singapore, 2,000 Canadians plus Indians in Honk Kong, etc, a few hundred Mexican policemen with revolvers and poorly armed, green soldiers with 7 mm Mausers are not going to stop Yamashita's men.

300 miles is less than Yamashita's few divisions pedaled through jungle along both Malayan coasts, defended by 100,000 Indians, etc, to Singapore (Churchill's impregnable fortress), taking 2 months. Riding the train 300 miles from Tijuana in 1939, through undefended territory on both sides of the border takes hours.

Despite a ridiculously huge navy, air force, marine force and army and Japan having lost already millions of men for years of war, with the Soviets killing or capturing more Japanese in a week than the Americans, Dutch, British and Anzacs did in 3.5 years of war, US forces were so affraid of landing in Japan, that they used the only 2 Nuclear bombs they had to induce Japan to capitulate. So, incompetent marines in 1939 are not going to take the imperial pallace. Actually the whole Marine force in 1939 is a joke, regarding size, armament, tactics (landing boats), planes, etc, a marine required a ton of supplies a day, while a Japanese soldiers and marines received a few lb per day at most, yet took in a few months more territory than US troops did in 3.5 years of war.
How is it, then, that these “incompetent” Americans crushed the Japanese in every single island campaign after the initial Japanese surprise attacks? How was that possible, because if it was possible (and it was), then the Japanese must have been much less competent than the Americans who opposed them.
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