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View Poll Results: Does Socialism Work?
Yes. (Please post reasoning for choosing this option below) 4 19.05%
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Old December 20th, 2017, 07:13 PM   #11
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socialism does not work because people are either greedy or lazy. the idea that the fruit of labor gets share equally is just too ideal. the hard working guy gets lazy once he realize he gets the same as the guy that does nothing.
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Capitalism has its failings, massive failings. Without a degree of Socialism it fails.

What are the failings of capitalism ?
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What are the failings of capitalism ?
uncontrolled leads to exploitation of workers, cutthroat business practices (underselling competition to put them out of business), mergers and buyouts that produce monopolies, excessive prices when these monopolies come into being.

massive pollution sometimes (see Beijing smog)
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uncontrolled leads to exploitation of workers, cutthroat business practices (underselling competition to put them out of business), mergers and buyouts that produce monopolies, excessive prices when these monopolies come into being.

massive pollution sometimes (see Beijing smog)

Love that you say it produces monopolies but undersells competition to put them out of business. You realize the full implication of what you are saying right? Every corporation is trying to outdo the other to get rid of them but they somehow come together through mergers to create a super corporation that is somehow immune to the very practices they engaged in order to become a super corporation.
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Because the system is completely counter to human nature. Greed exists, and is a powerful driving force. All we can do is attempt to harness it for good, e.g. capitalism.
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I'm lucky about this:

my education is economical and when I was still studying in Italy Socialism was a licit alternative to market economy [I studied "real Socialism" on books of political economy].

The basic problem of real Socialism [theoretical Socialism is a different matter] is that it needs a total agreement. It's enough that someone is not Socialist and real Socialism is condemned to a sad failure.

Why? Because only if all the world is Socialist no one can realize that risking and competing there is a possibility to live better [to get rich, if we prefer].

Humans are humans, you know ...
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P.S. Theoretical Socialism works and really well, at theoretical level.
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P.S. Theoretical Socialism works and really well, at theoretical level.
What is the difference between theoretical and real Socialism? I'm generally curious.
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What is the difference between theoretical and real Socialism? I'm generally curious.
Theoretical Socialism, to make it extremely brief!, [Italian definition] is the "Scientific Socialism" [International definition] with the indication of a kind of unavoidable evolution towards a war of classes ... with clear indications of a dominating minority ... to reach a condition of equality and freedom where the individual obtains what's necessary.

Real Socialism is what we have seen in the Soviet block and in China until they didn't introduce market economy in their country. The Party has become a kind of superior social class, actually denying one of the columns of theoretical Socialism.

Economy worked until it reached the curve of the decreasing marginal productivity. Without competition this was a lethal problem.

And so on ...
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Theoretical Socialism, to make it extremely brief!, [Italian definition] is the "Scientific Socialism" [International definition] with the indication of a kind of unavoidable evolution towards a war of classes ... with clear indications of a dominating minority ... to reach a condition of equality and freedom where the individual obtains what's necessary.

Real Socialism is what we have seen in the Soviet block and in China until they didn't introduce market economy in their country. The Party has become a kind of superior social class, actually denying one of the columns of theoretical Socialism.

Economy worked until it reached the curve of the decreasing marginal productivity. Without competition this was a lethal problem.

And so on ...
So what is the difference between theory and practice?

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