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Old November 27th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #231
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Though I wouldn't presume to speak for Sylla's point, I believe he was asking whether Patton had a detailed plan to attack the Soviets or was just running his mouth without actually thinking through the problem. I've seen no evidence for the former and the latter is entirely consistent with the historical Patton that we know.
Thanks; that was exactly my question.
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Old November 27th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #232

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It's interesting that no one never took into the haed that there could be Soviet's plan to attack westerns.Perhaps,because it simply impossible to imagine.But it seems that perfidy is deep in anglo-saxon's mentality.To attack the ally who has just now saved you - this can enter in mind only they.
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It's interesting that no one never took into the haed that there could be Soviet's plan to attack westerns.Perhaps,because it simply impossible to imagine.But it seems that perfidy is deep in anglo-saxon's mentality.To attack the ally who has just now saved you - this can enter in mind only they.
Without American aid Russia would not have had the resources it needed to initially fight the Germans. It is my opinion the entire war effort was a concentrated effort by all sides.
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Without American aid Russia would not have had the resources it needed to initially fight the Germans. It is my opinion the entire war effort was a concentrated effort by all sides.

U.S. help nohow was decisive.As well as there is no help that can justify the perfidy.
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U.S. help nohow was decisive.As well as there is no help that can justify the perfidy.
Well considering it never happened, and that many many people on the Western side of the equation considered it unthinkable and would have done everything they could have to stop it from happening......

That takes the edge off the 'perfidy' just a bit don't you think?
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U.S. help nohow was decisive.As well as there is no help that can justify the perfidy.
If the United States had not helped Russia out in the 1920's there may not have been a country to fight the Germans.
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If the United States had not helped Russia out in the 1920's there may not have been a country to fight the Germans.
Do you mean American intervention in Russia in 1918-1920? The USA recognized the USSR only in 1934.
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It's interesting that no one never took into the haed that there could be Soviet's plan to attack westerns.Perhaps,because it simply impossible to imagine.But it seems that perfidy is deep in anglo-saxon's mentality.To attack the ally who has just now saved you - this can enter in mind only they.
Tell that to the Poles.
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Yeah, the Americans helped the Soviet Union so much by invading them and refusing to recognize their country for decades. What have you been smoking?

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Tell that to the Poles.
Wow... Russians truly are beasts in the shape of men. How dare they rightfully take back territories populated almost entirely by non-Poles- Ukranians and Byelorussians, nations which have mutually intelligible languages and almost identical culture- taken from Soviet Russia by Polish aggression in 1920, 17 days after the Nazi invasion of Poland, by which time the Polish army had been almost totally destroyed and the Polish government fled? They should have let the Nazis have those territories- this would be much more humane.

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The troops entering Ukrainian and Byelorussian territory were greeted as liberators:

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Due to Polish government's discrimination against the Ukrainian minority during the interbellum, these troops were sometimes greeted with genuine joy by Ukrainian villagers,[1] In other cases, support demonstrations were staged by pro-Soviet militia.[4]

Healthcare, especially in the villages, was improved dramatically.[2] Between the two world wars Poland had drastically reduced the number of Ukrainian-language schools while Romania had eliminated them completely.[14] These were now reopened and, although the Russian language became a mandatory foreign-language course, the schools were taught in Ukrainian.
Or maybe you are talking about 1920? Are you not aware that it was Poland which started the aggression in the previous decade, as Russia was falling apart?

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