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Old February 2nd, 2018, 01:40 PM   #1
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After defeating France Germany seizes West Europe.


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When France was trounced in 1871, Germany absurdly took only Alsace-Lorraine, wasted invaluable time crowning the Kaiser in Versaille and did not take full advantage of being the only country left with modern rifles (needle guns) and a formidable army. Within decades France had a formidable army again. Only then, did germany invade it once more and fighting also Belgium, Britain, Russia, Serbia, Japan, Romania, Italy, the US, etc, dooming the empire.

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Germany seizes all France, incorporates the French army and navy into German forces. Immediately, it coaxes Austria-Hungary(which Prussia alone trounced in 1866, so it stands no chance against all Germany and boosted with French forces) to request annexation, then a formidable Germany reinvades northern Italy (former Austrian territory, lost because of French help to Italy and lack of Prussian support for Austria). Then it invades Switzerland from France, Italy, Austria and Germany, causing its rapid collapse. Then it invades weak Denmark, Holland, which has a weak army and a large, valuable empire.
A truly formidable Germany signs a 5 year alliance with Britain. Germany will provide troops and the RN will assist the invasion of the Americas from Canada, Jamaica, Belize, British Guiana, etc, with multiple landing. The invasion of Boer South Africa from Capetown, and through landings. The invasion of the valuable rapidly decaying Ottoman empire. And the invasions of Thailand, the PI, Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, the Azores.

The anglo Prussian alliance during the 7 years war had produced French America and ruined France, Sweden, Spain, Russia, etc, greatly boosting Britain. Germany is far more formidablenow than Prussia was. Britain needs to expand and recover New England, Viginia, the Carolinas, etc, the best colonies it ever had. It cannot waste the invaluable opportunity, so it signs the alliance.

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Old February 2nd, 2018, 01:56 PM   #2
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Just conquering and defeating a nations army is one things.

Integrating that nation and getting that Nation to be productive for your Nation is another thing entirely. The French would not accept such an annexation. Passive resistance could make the occupation pretty unprofitable.

Nor would the French fight for Prussia.

The rest of Europe would be pretty hostile to such hegemony. Congratulations you now made many enemies.


Your assuming that its some simplistic world were conquest leads to the instant available of that Nations resources and people. Real life is not like that,
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Just conquering and defeating a nations army is one things.

Integrating that nation and getting that Nation to be productive for your Nation is another thing entirely. The French would not accept such an annexation. Passive resistance could make the occupation pretty unprofitable.

Nor would the French fight for Prussia.

The rest of Europe would be pretty hostile to such hegemony. Congratulations you now made many enemies.


Your assuming that its some simplistic world were conquest leads to the instant available of that Nations resources and people. Real life is not like that,
French industry was extremely productive in WW II and France accepted occupation quite well (resistance activity was minimal before D-day, despite great British efforts and investments).

Alsace and Lorraine French became quite good German subjects. Frenchmen built much of the Atlantiv wall and worked in German factories in France also. RAF bombed Renault factories near Paris, causing more French deaths to date than German casualties on raids in 1940. Normans were independists and helped Germany against the allies after D-day. When Germany invaded all of France after Torch. Hitler made all the mistakes the Kaiser made in 1914 and then some. He had weak allies and formidable foes, wasted fortunes on useless capital ships, instead of trucks, submarines, machine guns, planes, etc,
He did not use the French army and navy and ruined French economy, instead of boosting it (as he did in every invaded country), He attacked Russia will lousy planning and the worst possible time.

It was usual to invade and integrate a country's resources and armed forces as the Egyptians, Persians, Carthagenians, Romans, Ottomans, etc, had done and Napoleon I had done all over Europe (there were Germans, Poles, Spaniards, Italians, Dutch, Swiss, etc, in Russia) decades before the French debacle in 1871.

At least the other Kaiser in 1870 did not invade Belgium, keeping Britain out of the war (it guaranteed Belgian neutrality by treat) and good relations with it (and with Russia), which the later Kaiser ruined in 1914 and Hitler ruined in 1941.

ATL the Kaiser in 1871 is at a greater advantage than Napoleon ever was. He has the needle gun, breech loading artillery formidable army and tactics and Europe has muskets, old tactics and muzzle loading artillery.

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Old February 2nd, 2018, 02:19 PM   #4

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You cannot incorporate the French Army into the German Army. The Germans would have been killed in their sleep the first night.

Also invading the Swiss would have been interesting. Attacking through mountains is historically difficult, as The Germans themselves found out in WW 1.
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Why would the Austrian Hungarian empire subjugate itself to Germany? Germany is what, a decade old. The AH Empire is centuries old. They would want the Kaiser to bend his knee to them.

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At the same time, why not just limit your argument to Germany siezing all of France? That's far more realistic.
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The Kaiser orders 400,000 Remington revolvers, 200,000 Winchester rifles, 100 Gatling guns to be delivered ASAP and signs contracts for licenses to build factories in Austria, Germany, France and Italy with Remington, Winchester, the Gatling gun manufactorurers, which have been making much superior repeating arms firing brass cartridges, instead of primitive parper cartridges of the needle guns.

As soon as Britian signs the alliance, German troops start arriving in Canada and invade Havana, Santiago de Cuba, Veracruz, Tampico, the Isthmus of Tehuantepec and starts building a sort RR line to the Pacific and a RR line Veracruz-Mexico City-Guadalajara. Mexico City Acapulco, Tehuantepec-Veracruz and Mexico City Monterrey. German cavalry and some infantry and artillery disembark in Buenos Aires and Capetown and a smaller force in Montevideo.
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Luckily the US us well ahead of you. They have secretly armed the Comanche nation with those Gatling gun's and shipped them to Berlin to scalp the Kaiser. Shortly thereafter, the New Comanche Empire is formed in the heart of Northern Germany.

Run to the hills! Quanah Parker has come!
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Why would the Austrian Hungarian empire subjugate itself to Germany? Germany is what, a decade old. The AH Empire is centuries old. They would want the Kaiser to bend his knee to them.
Germany is not even officially formed nor the Kaiser crowned yet, that will only happen when it is truly unified with the Germans in Austria, Switzerland and the Germanic peoples of France (the word comes from the Franks, a Germanic tribe), Sweden, Holland, Denmark, etc,

As stated, Austria was trounced a few years before in 1866, because inexperienced and few Prussian troops, (Prussia is much smaller than all Germany) had needle guns and Austria had Muskets and its forces were massacred. In 1871, Austriua-Hungary has the same guns and tactics, Germany all of Germany and French forces (which have just deployed a French version of the needle gun, which is better, because it can be easily converted to brass cartridges, and the needle gun cannot). Austrian forces would be massacred in a day.

OTL Austria had wanted to join Germany. Stupid German politicians objected, because they only wanted Germans, not Slavs (from Czechoslovakia and Austrian Poland) nor Hungarians and Austria wanted to be incorporated whole, which the German Kaiser is offering ATL in 1871).

OTL After losing the war, the Danish King, Christian IX had offered him secretly that all Denmark become Prussian, instead of Prussia taking only Schleswig-Holstein from Denmark, splitting it. Bismarck, daftly did not accept.

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Luckily the US us well ahead of you. They have secretly armed the Comanche nation with those Gatling gun's and shipped them to Berlin to scalp the Kaiser. Shortly thereafter, the New Comanche Empire is formed in the heart of Northern Germany.

Run to the hills! Quanah Parker has come!
Rather difficult, with a truly ridiculous USN and a few thousand Comanche surviving Eurasian diseases, US genocide and alcoholism by 1871 and at war with the US and a formidable RN and German army.

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