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Old February 27th, 2018, 10:01 AM   #1

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Death of Hapsburg Family around 1891


If the Hapsburg family, the rulers of Austria-Hungary were to be suddenly and completely wiped out in a single event (say by terrorist attack or meteor impact on Vienna); what would happen to their empire? Would it break apart into Austria and Hungary? Would Germany and/or Russia take over some or all of it? Or would it descend into civil war with every province trying to break off?
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If the Hapsburg family, the rulers of Austria-Hungary were to be suddenly and completely wiped out in a single event (say by terrorist attack or meteor impact on Vienna); what would happen to their empire? Would it break apart into Austria and Hungary? Would Germany and/or Russia take over some or all of it? Or would it descend into civil war with every province trying to break off?
Are you talking about the immediate Hapsburg family or the extended Hapsburg family here? After all, the Hapsburg family had several branches by this point in time.

If all of them would die off, then I'm presuming that the closest relative through the female line of the last person in the Hapsburg line of succession would have become the new monarch of Austria-Hungary. As for what would happen afterwards, it would depend on what exactly this monarch would do and on how exactly this monarch would govern.
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If the dozens of Habsburg men and boys all died in 1891 and there were no more agnatic Habsburgs left, the rightful heir would be whoever the house laws of the dynasty and/or the laws of the Empire said.

Possibility one: nobody knows the order in which the Archdukes die, and so genealogical closeness to the emperor is the only fact to be considered.

I believe that The emperor's heir would the heir of his deceased son and heir Crown Prince Rudolph who had died in 1889. Rudolph's only child and heir was Archduchess Elizabeth Marie (1883-1963). The regency could have gone to Rudolph's sisters Archduchess Gisela (1856-1932), married to Prince Leopold of Bavaria, and Archduchess Marie Valeria (1868-1924), married to Archduke Franz Salvator of Austria-Tuscany who would have died and had no part in the regency.

If Archduchess Elizabeth Marie died in the 1891 incident her aunt Gisela might have survived since she was married to a Bavarian prince and didn't live in Austria and thus she would have been the closest female heir of Emperor Franz Josef.

If all the descendants of Emperor Franz Josef were dead, his brother Karl Ludwig (1833-1896) would also died in the incident along with his sons. Karl Ludwig's three daughter's were all unmarried in 1891 and so might have died with the brothers in the 1891 incident.

So if the descendants of Franz Josef's siblings were all dead, the next closest heirs would be the descendants of his father's siblings. Franz Josef's uncles had no descendants, so Pedro II, Ex Emperor of Brazil, who died in December 5, 1891, and his oldest daughter Isabel (1846-1921) would be the heirs.

But this is assuming that nobody knew the order in which the male archdukes died.

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But if people knew the order in which the male archdukes died, then the most senior who survived the Emperor would have automatically become Emperor, even if only for a few minutes or seconds. And if he had an older daughter who married into another royal family and was not killed in the disaster she would become the heir. And if he had no surviving descendants, and any other archdukes survived him, the most senior of them would have automatically have become the next emperor, even if only for a few minutes or seconds. And his oldest surviving daughter by virtue of marriage to a foreign ruler would then become the heir and the empress.

And so on and so on. Unless one imagines there a specific order in which the Archukes were known to have died, there would be no way to know who would become the rightful heir.
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So, the order they died would effect the order of succession, even if they all died at once?
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So, the order they died would effect the order of succession, even if they all died at once?
I believe most bomb attacks that are plausible the order of death would be known.

Any sea vessel that may sink would have been a large boat so testimony could be taken about the circumstances of the heirs' passing.

Now, would the ministers of the government accept a succession from FJ to one of his heirs based on surviving the Emperor for a matter of a few minutes? If the ministers found the resulting candidate to be objectionable, then probably the legitimacy of the "minutes as sovereign" would be overturned.
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