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Old May 19th, 2018, 09:40 AM   #21

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Of course.

Most of California is not Hispanic however.
Since 2015, officially it is.

It's official: Latinos now outnumber whites in California
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Old May 27th, 2018, 07:04 AM   #22

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If California does secceed, it would go the way of ireland
as in very wealthy, and wealthier than its former occupier?
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Even if this were true(and based on wikipedia I have strong doubts as Latino's were less than 40% of the population in 2016 according to wikipedia) that does not equal "most" or even a majority because there's more than two groups in the state.

That being said what's so wrong, controversial or noteworthy about Latino's being the plurality of a state's population? "White's" are the plurality of most state populations with the only exception I can think of being Hawaii where the plurality is Asian.
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as in very wealthy

Ireland isn't very wealthy. It has very high GDP, but no one, not even the Irish government, thinks that's a reflection of reality. There's a long explanation of why GDP and GNI figures don't reflect the true position in Ireland: https://www.finance.gov.ie/wp-conten...e-May-2018.pdf


If you don't want to read it all, the short explanation is that large international firms locate assets like leased aircraft or patents in Ireland, the revenue gets added to Irish GDP, but the money doesn't accrue to Ireland. For example, Apple holds patents and trademarks in Ireland, produces phones in China, sells them all over the world, but they show up in Irish GDP as if they were produced in Ireland.


The EU uses Actual Individual Consumption to measure living standards: GDP per capita, consumption per capita and price level indices - Statistics Explained


Irish per capita GDP is the second highest in Europe, behind only Luxembourg (which has the same issues with its statistics as Ireland). By GDP per capita Ireland is much richer than Switzerland, but using AIC to measure actual living standards, Ireland is only 96% of the EU average, just behind Italy and way behind countries like France (111%), the UK (116%) or Germany (122%)
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If California is an independent nation on the first of the month, the Mexican army takes Sacramento on the 15th.
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With a runaway industrial military, I'm surprised someone hasn't already balked.
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If California is an independent nation on the first of the month, the Mexican army takes Sacramento on the 15th.
Wrong. This is just dumb.
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California has some longstanding race issues. What if there is another Rodney King incident? Or something similar involving Hispanics or Asians? What if there is a big quake, which without being alarmist has to happen sometime? In any event, the Fault won't go away. I'm not saying it couldn't handle these challenges, but then it would have to get some plan to do it.

And if there still is an anti-immigration stance from the Califonia-less USA, then there would ahve to be border checks. And considering there are lots of mountains and open spaces between Nevada, Idaho, Oregon, etc. there would have to be some continuous border forces, so people don't sneak in.
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Wrong. This is just dumb.
agreed
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You really can't opine on this unless you know the terms of separation. It's very doubtful that all Californians would want to be subject to ultimate government from Sacramento, so what territory do they ultimately control? There's a pretty good chance that any amicable separation from the US would include a deal for free access to California ports. California would probably have to compensate the US for federal properties, including about 50,000,000 acres of land. Just a division based on population would saddle every Californian with $75,000 in public debt (near $3 trillion), but it's extremely unlikely that population would be the sole factor considered.

Edit: all this, of course, assumes some amicable negotiated departure from the US.
Perhaps a collapse of the Federal government?
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