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Old July 3rd, 2010, 12:35 AM   #1
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The Phaistos Disc on Crete


The Phaistos Disc is one of the biggest mysteries of the ancient world.
Found last century in a temple depository on the island of crete buried in ash dark earth
and burbt cattle bone it looked almost new despite being up to 4000 years old.
The disc has a central spiral of 18 sets of hieroglyphs on each side and an outer circle of
12 sets of hieroglyphs on one side and 13 sets in a circle on the other.
Some experts think it describes a battle story others say it is written in no known language past or present
from crete or elsewhere.Some of the symbols on the disc are like Linear A - an ulready well known script of the
ancient world but most look nothing like linear A or Linear B its relative.Intriguingly the Arkalochori double-headed axe
found on crete at a different location and many years later had similar symbols on it ending specualtion that
the phaistos disc was a fake made by an archaeologist who wanted to be famous for finding something "big").
The commonest symbol is a man with a mohican haircut ( see wikipedia phaistos disc).
I have noticed and that the spirals have heads like snakes ( cretan snake goddess or egyptian snake goddess wadjet -crete traded a lot with egypt))
and that if you take the 18 glyphs of each spiral as being 10 days ( egyptian calendar - 10 days for a group of
stars rising and falling on horizon) you get 180 days or 6 months for each spiral on each side of the disc and the 12 sets of
glyphs on the rim can be six months too if each set is 15 days.The extra 13th glyph on the rim of one side of the disc is for adding a few days every
few years to keep the calendar accurate.Starting at the snake's head in the middle of the disc on one side, after counting a group of
three sets of glyphs, the first set of glyphs is repeated.If the minoans on crete were using
30 day intervals ( each glyph group being 10 days) this would make sense provided they also used 2 lots of 15 day intervals = 30 on the circular rim.
The moon goes from new moon to full moon in 15 days and full moon to new moon again in 15 more days = 30 days.
The snake spiral calendar and the circular rim calendar can only stay in step if we use 30 day intervals for each.
Is the disc a zodiac 6 30 day star signs on one circular rim and 6 30 day star signs on the other?
It doesn't seem to be - certainly taking the pictures at face value and assuming they are not a written or spoken language.
Plenty of fish for pisces but too many all over the disc! There are likewise too many water symbols for aquarius.And comparisons withegyptian star symbols
do not seem fruitful.The spiral calendar must be depicting events that happened in one place over a year and the circular rim calendar
must be depicting events elsewhere the same year.But then why add the thirteenth rim glyph to correct the calendar with the passage of time if this is not a calendar for
many years!
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The Greek government refuses to permit tests (thermoluminescence?) that would prove or disprove the antiquity of the inscriptions. Why would they refuse?

Either...

They've secretly performed the tests, which showed that it's a fake, so they conceal this fact to prevent a tourist draw from being scratched from the list, or

They're afraid of what the result might be, or

They figure the added intrigue of uncertainty about authenticity is a plus for tourism.
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Intriguingly the Arkalochori double-headed axe
found on crete at a different location and many years later had similar symbols on it ending specualtion that
the phaistos disc was a fake made by an archaeologist who wanted to be famous for finding something "big"
Oh hardly. It was always acknowledged that some of the symbols on the Phaistos disk resembled Linear A symbols. This only means that whoever created the disk had seen some Linear A symbols. That could have been an ancient Cretan, but it just as easily could have been Luigi Pernier.
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(Not that Greece has tourism.)
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Oh hardly. It was always acknowledged that some of the symbols on the Phaistos disk resembled Linear A symbols. This only means that whoever created the disk had seen some Linear A symbols. That could have been an ancient Cretan, but it just as easily could have been Luigi Pernier.
The symbols in question are not linear A as far as I know they are a tatooed head!

I believe this disc is the genuine article because no mistakes were made in impressing the glyphs on it and there are 241 glyphs.Whoever made this
was a master craftsman - even the firing of this disc was done well - no cracks.Also the disc is bronze coloured like the Bronze Arkolochori axe.And why didn't a forger who made this for Pernier grass on him.Must have been paid well!
And wouldn't someone have noticed the forger had more money than usual.

The disc is 1cm deep.If we take that as the scale as 1cm = 1 day,
the spiral is about 150 cm long and this is 150 days.There are 150 days between october 21st and march 21 st - between the two equinoxes where the length of day = length of night.Each of the two spirals on the disc has a head like a snake. If we assume one snake is male and the other female
this would explain why the disc looks more aggressive on one side than the other - lots of mohicans and arrows on the side with 31 sets of glyphs ( 31 days perhaps).The side of the disc with 30 days could be female.Male and female mate and this might explain why the disc was found in ash and burnt bone and dark earth - all symbols of fertility.
Also the disc has one side presumably for a calendar of what a woman does over the course of 5 months and
on the other side of the disc we see glyphs describing what the male does over a 5 month period - skinning animals and preparing hides is an obvious activity for a man as can be seen on the glyphs on the disc close to the snake's head.The persians
used a 31 day and 30 day calendar ( 6 x 31 days + 6 x 30 days = 366 days per year).Persia is fairly close to crete
given that cretans traded as far away as egypt.
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The inscriber(s) used a centimeter scale, did they?
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The inscriber(s) used a centimeter scale, did they?
It is very possible just as the human foot yielded the length of a foot - a toe or toenail is on average about 1 cm wide!How does that relate to time.
My guess is that you use your feet to move from A to B over a period of time
so bits of feet can be associated with units of time!
I have another reason for thinking 1 cm = 1 day on the disc.
The disc is 15 -16 cm in diameter. It takes 15-16 days from new moon to full moon and the snake on the disc may represent the ancient egyptian goddess of fertility and thec eye of the moon - Wadjet ( the dic is full moon shaped too!).Crete had its own snake goddess but the two snakes on the spiral parts of the disc have 18 segments each and egyptians used 36 lots of 10 days to define a year ( 10 days for each set of stars to rise and fall on the horizon).
I also believe the heel stone at stonehenge relates to time but here it is sixteen feet high and the scale for
a 16 day full moon would have to be one foot = 1 day.
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I always thought that Freud's "The Psychopathology of Everyday Life" would forever remain the most patently sanitized explication of theory. Now I'm not so sure.
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The symbols in question are not linear A as far as I know they are a tatooed head!
They are not Linear A, some of the symbols resemble Linear A characters.



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I believe this disc is the genuine article because no mistakes were made in impressing the glyphs on it and there are 241 glyphs.Whoever made this was a master craftsman - even the firing of this disc was done well - no cracks.
A huge blunder on Pernier's part: the Minoans never fired tablets intentionally.

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why didn't a forger who made this for Pernier grass on him.Must have been paid well!
And wouldn't someone have noticed the forger had more money than usual.
Why do you assume he needed a forger? No clay tablet on Earth, including the Phaistos disk, takes a "master craftsman". They're fairly easy to make. Much easier than, say, clay sculpture - which any child can do if shown how. The whole reason it was such a popular medium at one time was because of its ease of use. It was something any merchant could record his manifest on, make notes with, write a letter, etc. Clay tablets were like the Post-Its of the early Bronze Age. Simple, cheap, easy. Sumerian tablets, for instance, record such mundane things as recipes for soap, account ledgers, and village gossip.

Nor was there any money involved, it was done for academic prestige.

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The disc is 1cm deep.If we take that as the scale as 1cm = 1 day,
the spiral is about 150 cm long and this is 150 days.There are 150 days between october 21st and march 21 st - between the two equinoxes where the length of day = length of night.Each of the two spirals on the disc has a head like a snake.
What's any of that got to do with its authenticity?
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(Not that Greece has tourism.)
Don't be mean, Corro, of course Greece has tourism.
In fact, it's one of the top destinations and a major source of income for the country.

http://www.athensguide.com/practical...statistics.htm
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