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Old November 3rd, 2010, 03:08 AM   #1

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if henry viii and katherine of aragon had a healthy son..


imagine how different english history would have been if henry viii had a healthy son and heir by k. of aragon?? katherine's life would have ended completely differently, anne boleyn would have married someone else--no elizabeth i to rule for over 40 years??
prince edward would have never been born, anne of cleves would have married someone else and had children, same for k. howard and catherine parr would have probably married thomas seymour sooner. henry would have never split from the church/pope, the reformation would have come about more slowly--if at all in henry's lifetime. wolsey would have remained with henry until his death.
5 innocent men would have lived and had children (possibly). cromwell, more, lady rochford and fisher would have kept their heads. the pilgrimage of grace may have never happened and all those executed would have lived and had children. the seymours would have kept their heads and all the protestants that mary had burned would have never died if she had never been queen.
mary would have had a much different life since she would have never been declared a bastard. all of those changes just from the birth of one child--mind boggling!
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 03:18 AM   #2

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Re: if henry viii and katherine of aragon had a healthy son..


Very interesting thought KBear. Fascinating how one simple event could have changed history as we know it and England's too.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 04:02 AM   #3

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You say that the Reformation would have come about more slowly, but it seems more likely to me that to me that England would actually have remained a Catholic country, which would have greatly affected the future course of its history.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 05:25 AM   #4

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Re: if henry viii and katherine of aragon had a healthy son..


Indeed it might have remained catholic, but there we get into the problems of determining the popularity and effectiveness of the Protestant cause in a century without Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary I, Elizabeth I and then James I involving themselves in such matter. The birth of a male heir (assuming he survived to maturity aswell) would have changed a considerable amount. But I feel that the country remaining Catholic, though possible, was not innevitable.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 08:40 AM   #5

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i do believe the reformation would have happened eventually--too many people were wanting it but it probably would have been a few years later. i would bet a son of katherine of aragon would have definitely been catholic, just like his sister, so it may have been after his death...
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Anne Boleyn would have remained Henry's mistress and never become queen
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 09:18 AM   #7

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maybe, but she may have become a percy..
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Intriguing, I think Protestantism would have been crushed by Henry and with it the Reformation. The Catholic church would have reigned supreme and would have suffocated at birth any technological or industrial advances, in a veil of suspicion and fear. England without its Reformation would not have bequeathed to the world the Industrial Revolution.
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Intriguing, I think Protestantism would have been crushed by Henry and with it the Reformation. The Catholic church would have reigned supreme and would have suffocated at birth any technological or industrial advances, in a veil of suspicion and fear. England without its Reformation would not have bequeathed to the world the Industrial Revolution.
Yea it is pretty interesting this one ?? Was wondering if with a Catholic England and a healthy heir, would Henry have betrothed him to Mary Queen of Scots?? And if Calvanism spread into Scotland and then subtly over the border would there have been a major war of religion in the British isles like there was on the continent??

I dont think England would have been immune from the Protestant revolution happening elsewhere in Europe, afterall it had it own tradition of religious dissent going back to the Lollards!!
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Yea it is pretty interesting this one ?? Was wondering if with a Catholic England and a healthy heir, would Henry have betrothed him to Mary Queen of Scots?? And if Calvanism spread into Scotland and then subtly over the border would there have been a major war of religion in the British isles like there was on the continent??

I dont think England would have been immune from the Protestant revolution happening elsewhere in Europe, afterall it had it own tradition of religious dissent going back to the Lollards!!
I agree that the England would have had its problems from Europe, however Henry was utterly ruthless when threatened in any way. Look how he dealt with the Catholic priesthood and the monasteries?
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