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Old December 11th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #1

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It's 400 BC. The Peloponnesian War has not taken place, instead Athens seeing the might of Sparta made a peace treaty ending its empire. Meanwhile in Italy the Veli war doesn't take place as the Etruscans realise they cannot defeat the Roman war machine and capitulate to a Roman dictated peace.

The two powers seeing a bit of themselves in each other, march north and go to war. The Romans notorius for scaring their enemies by throwing humans waves at the enemy with soldiers not caring if they live or die and despite how many times they lose an army, they never negotiate, just raise another army and hurl it at the enemy, even if you beat them on the field they weary you with attrition. The Spartans a warrior cult that doesn't know defeat and are the most skilled warriors on earth. The Romans are hampered by internal politics and the Spartans by the finite number of equals.

Both sides have legendary commanders. Marcus Furius Camillus is dictator of Rome, and Lysander commands the Spartans.

Who will win?
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Rome with the Zerg rush
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The Romans because while the Spartans are campaigning north against the Romans, the Helots revolt
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Rome under Camillus invades a Greece not decimated by the Peloponnesian War, with Sparta and Athens at the helm....please.
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It's 400 BC. The Peloponnesian War has not taken place, instead Athens seeing the might of Sparta made a peace treaty ending its empire. Meanwhile in Italy the Veli war doesn't take place as the Etruscans realise they cannot defeat the Roman war machine and capitulate to a Roman dictated peace.

The two powers seeing a bit of themselves in each other, march north and go to war. The Romans notorius for scaring their enemies by throwing humans waves at the enemy with soldiers not caring if they live or die and despite how many times they lose an army, they never negotiate, just raise another army and hurl it at the enemy, even if you beat them on the field they weary you with attrition. The Spartans a warrior cult that doesn't know defeat and are the most skilled warriors on earth. The Romans are hampered by internal politics and the Spartans by the finite number of equals.

Both sides have legendary commanders. Marcus Furius Camillus is dictator of Rome, and Lysander commands the Spartans.

Who will win?
It's not clear where would the encounter take place, a relevant issue for the outcome.
In any case, in all likelihood the numbers would have decided the battle.
From what we know that historically happened to both contenders, Rome may have possibly lost some battles, but never the war.

That said, please remember that in the real world there was actually a Roman-Spartan war in DLIX AUC / 195 BC, naturally involving a far more powerful Rome than at the time of Camillus; unsurprisingly, it was a total victory for the Roman arms.
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The Romans: better training, better equipment and better tactics
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The Romans: better training, better equipment and better tactics
Not in this time period.


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It's not clear where would the encounter take place, a relevant issue for the outcome.
In any case, in all likelihood the numbers would have decided the battle.
From what we know that historically happened to both contenders, Rome may have possibly lost some battles, but never the war.

That said, please remember that in the real world there was actually a Roman-Spartan war in DLIX AUC / 195 BC, naturally involving a far more powerful Rome than at the time of Camillus; unsurprisingly, it was a total victory for the Roman arms.

Yes I voted for Rome, who's the more powerful or more numerous when you include allies at this time is difficult, as both have flawed and unreliable powerbases. If we forgot the unfeasibilty of the war as there were so many powerful peoples geographically between them. Rome could lose 10 battles in a row suffering a 100,000 dead, but she would come back fighting with her resolve undented and win the 11th, 12th and 13th. If the Spartans lost 3 battles in a row they would be broken. It's not that the Romans were invincible at this time, they lost many battles, it's just they through endless humans waves at the enemy with no fear of death, and the enemy soldiers kind of wanted to live.
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I am not exactly sure about that Toltec. My question would be, does Sparta command both the Peloponnesian League and the Delian League into battle, or in your scenario, do they march alone?
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It would be Latin League vs Delian. Which with internal politics could mean they both march alone or with partial support as both leagues waver from time to time.
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I am not exactly sure about that Toltec. My question would be, does Sparta command both the Peloponnesian League and the Delian League into battle, or in your scenario, do they march alone?
That's exactly why the place of the encounter would have been so relevant for the outcome, being it in the Latium, in Epeirus or in the Peloponnese.
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