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Old March 7th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #1

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Roman Empire vs Han Dynasty, who takes it?
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What, praytell, can you tell me about Han Dynasty China? I used to have a female friend whose young adult son was interested in the military history of Han Dynasty China, but we broke up after only a short while and I only very briefly met her son, but at any rate never got to talk history with her son.
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The Han Dynasty was one of China's Golden era's. It followed the Qin Dynasty in 206BC and ended in 220CE, therefore it was around during the time period of the Roman Empire. Today Chinese people call themselves, THE HAN, after the dynasty. The Han Dynasty had more people and was territorially bigger than Rome. I made a post about it in the Ancient History Forum a while back. If you have questions about it, ask in that thread.
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Roman Empire vs Han Dynasty, who takes it?
Culturally?
Economically?
Militarily?
Scientifically?
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^^^^^^

Well this is the the war and military section
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Well this is the the war and military section
Fair point. Well made.
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I am going to go with rome
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I am going to go with rome
Wow. You sound pretty confident. I guess I can't beat this argument. Rome takes it. Next Thread Please!

I'm just kidding philos.
Now onto reality. This is an impossible question. Are we talking about one army vs one army or are we talking about A full scale war. Both power centers, Rome and Chang'an were on opposite sides of the Eurasian continent. Any battle would be extremely far away from their respective empires. Probably somewhere near the Caspian Sea or in Parthia. Are they gonna fight in a forest or on a plain? What year? The Height of each empire was at different times.
I know Rome's primary weapon was infantry.
The Han's primary fighting force was calvary. They also had crossbows. Something the Europeans wouldn't use till the Medevil Times.
Like in all things, I assume most people will vote Rome simply because they have never heard of the Han Dynasty. Though, the Romans have been gone for quite some time, and the Han are now 1/5 of the World's population.
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Well I am thinking about a full scale war during lets say at the same time the good emperors are ruling rome and Han are just over the rebellion that they had. I am not sure what year, but basically when both are fairly stable and well off. They well be fighting over Turkmenistan. That should be pretty even for both.
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It is difficult to make an objective assessment of a possible war between the two empires, as my knowledge of the Han military system is sparse. At their closest extent Roman and Chinese garrisons were only a days march apart after the collapse of Parthia. I can see a low level frontier squabble could ensue if such a situation had continued for any length of time, but the rise of Persia under the Sassanian dynasty put paid to any such possibility as the Romans were driven back to their original borders. I remember reading somewhere that China may have subsidized Persia in her struggle with Rome and such a “war by proxy” is a possible way such an inter-empire conflict could have been pursued.

I have read that the Han army was well trained and professional, holding annual manoeuvres and inspections. Their infantry were armed with Spears/halberds and either bows or crossbows, some of the latter being magazine repeaters. The missile troops and spearmen were organised in mixed units for mutual support. The cavalry were again either lance/halberd armed or were horse archers. They had specialised units of engineers and artillery, along with a “convict corps” who were apparently vicious fighters, having little left to lose.

It might have been an interesting match against the Roman legions and auxiliaries at their prime; Roman armour against Chinese crossbows. I suspect the balance would tilt towards the side that was better led. Here I would favour the Chinese as their officers and generals were all professional and steeped in Sun-Tzu’s doctrines, whereas the bulk of Roman senior officers were political placeholders at this time.
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