Wadjet Horus

The genetic test were most done under supervision of western institutes, the wrongs can be more to their own agendas not ours.

However recent published genetic studies are quite truthful.

HackneyedScribe

This is another example of cherry picking. The people with "colored eyes"(semuren) are Central Asians who are categorized separately from Mongols. There were the Mongols, then the semuren, then the hanren(Jin dynasty), and then the nanren(Song dynasty). Mongols wouldn't call semuren as "people with colored eyes" if the Mongols themselves had "colored eyes". Otherwise it would be redundant.

Wadjet Horus

Reread my posts again: Here is the points scattered throughout the thread. My English is not good enough for me to prepare an essay in a short time.

1--Ghengis Khan being a caucasian as described by his contemprary historian.

2--Mongol conquest left no or just minor genetic footprint in western asia, centra asia to prove mongolians were the major factor in the invasion. The odd is still greater when you find more mongolian genes among finns, estonians where mongols never reached.

3--Chinese historical sources indicates caucasian features of invading mongol armies. And a social rank based on apparent racial features which placed the caucasian features above average chinese features.

4--There are no significant comparable literature to testify the mongol empire from mongolian literature, and there are zero memory and records about mongol empire from siberian tribes which should have been a part of the empire.

5--Cultural, military attributes of mongols are not consistent with any other mongoloid culture, especially the siberian tribes. There is obviously a discrepancy between military mongol empire and siberian tribal cultures. And contemprary mongol language was based on turkic-tocharian rather than native mongolians or siberians.

Wadjet Horus

1-Semurens were treated under the same social status with the mongols
2-Semurens were only to be judged by the same court which judged mongols.
3-Ghengis Khan was a semuren himself, why he did not say he was one?

The separate catergory was created by chinese themself, which did not even know what Ghengis Khan looks like, therefore chinese did not understand the racial make up of the mongols, they just though mongols were like them and mistook the siberian subordinates as mongols, and separated them from semurens. In fact, from the treatment semurens enjoyed, it is clear that semurens were the same with mongols, or they were mongols themself.

mingming

Special treatment doesn't make you a member of the dominant group though. If I (an Asian) put a white person above a black person, would that make the white person Asian? No racism intended there but I think you get my analogy.

Wadjet Horus

Chinese are not black, such comprison does not stand.

Mongols put all chinese, regardless to ethnicities below the rank of semuren. If mongols were mongolians, why would they do that to people who look like them. It does no make sense.

Wadjet Horus

There were surely some mongolians among the mongols, but they were just minor subordinates. Also chinese records say Yuan dynasty under the mongol rule, most Mayors and governors appointed were semuren.

HackneyedScribe

I think you need to check up on your logic there

Because "racial" status was not divided by race, but by order of conquest. The semuren(kara-Khitan and Khwarezmia) was completely conquered first, and then the Jin Dynasty(hanren), and then the Song dynasty(nanren). People assume the Mongols gave special treatment based on race because they looked through history using modern standards. But Mongols didn't think like us and we don't think like them.

Wadjet Horus

I just found form my chinese source stating that mongols also were categorized as semuren in historical records. However, the chinese sources refuse to admit that the mongols were semuren, trying to argue with further speculations, because it may be shameful to know we have been raped for 400 years by middle easterners.


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The original characters are from original chinese source, the bold English words are my translations. You can see the semuren category include all known western cultural identities: muslims, mixed uighurs, immigrants, beside the mongols. I think this finding finally proved my point that mongols were mostly caucasians.

Khitans were split between the categories of chinese and semuren. Khitans may contained some caucasian elements, that is why there was a double categorization. The classes were indeed race based, it is also consistent with hindu caste system ruled by westerners, racism is a trait of their culture.

Wadjet Horus

Considering majority of mongols and huns were caucasian, it explains why they suddenly disappeared when they invaded the west, they were slowly absorbed by western cultural identities without much trouble because of their western looks.

When the west still blaming mongolians for huns and mongols, their invaders have been settling at their door for hundrels of years. What can be said of this sentiment? Arrogance, racism? If we put togather all the pieces of invasions, rapes, slander, racism we see a consistent cultural trait from hindu to huns, mongols and then to the past colonialism.

1,2 billion people is just right to defend our life. I do not hate the west, just let the truth come up and face it. It is a shame to you and to me too. China is too sensitive to admit we have been conquered totally by a western force, it is the main reason the misunderstanding persists to this day, the violent mongols can play a paper tiger on our traumatized history.