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Old June 13th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #1
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Truth: The Mongol empire was not mongolian but caucasian.


The savage mongol empire had nothing in common with east asian mainstream cultures, their invasion into China did not bring constructive elements but Islam and the rapes by people which chinese historians call them(色目人), the people with colorful eyes. In mongol occupied China, people with colored eyes were ranked as the same social status with the mongols, why? There were likely never any mongolian mongols, but turkic and arabic mongols. None of contemprary chinese sources ever described the mongols as mongolian, on the contrary, the invaders were described as people with colorful eyes. The first hand description of Chengis Khan by his contemprary persian historian Rachid Al-Din also indicates him as a pale skinned caucasian not a mongolian.

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Rashid al-Din also described the first meeting of Genghis and Kublai Khan, when Genghis was shocked to find that Kublai had not inherited his red hair.[12] Also according to al-Din Genghis's Borjigid clan, had a legend involving their origins: it began as the result of an affair between Alan-ko and a stranger to her land, a glittering man who happened to have red hair and bluish-green eyes. Modern historian Paul Ratchnevsky has suggested in his Genghis biography that the "glittering man" may have been from the Kyrgyz people, who historically displayed these same characteristics
The golden hordes were consisted of tartars, kipchaks, central asian turkic tribes. Also the graves of golden hordes turned up mostly pure western asian genes, majority of them are J, I, R haplogroups. The presence of mongolian genes amount to almost Zero.

My theory is that, the Mongol empire was founded by western asian nomadic tribes when they colonized the territory of Altaian regions, and they forced siberian tribes to assimilate, the siberians elements within the mongol empire led people to believe the mongol empire was mongolian regardlessly that the siberians consisted only insignificant part of the mongol empire. Othe reason for this mongolian mongol misconception is the Mongol empire raged from the East, close to China. However, the true reason why Mongol empire started near China was likely the richness of China attracted the nomadic tribes to colonize the vicinity.

Modern mongolians are indeed genetically closest to siberian tribes. The true mongolians were the very first victims of the mongols(western asians), and they were from the siberian tribes which had never been responsible for any form of aggression. The barbarism of mongol empire was therefore culturally foreign to not just chinese civilization also to the siberian tribes. I can conclude that east asian people had nothing to do with the mongols which vandalised across the Eurasia during the 13th and 14th centuries. And the mongols were racially caucasian, religiously zoroastrian, muslim.

Another clue that mongolians were not responsible for the mongol invasion is none of todays siberian tribes keep any memory or record of the mongol empire. And ever since the Ghengis Khan, during this 800 years the monglian literature only produce one piece of record of the Mongol empire by an anonymous author, the possibility that the author was mongolian is still doubtful.

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The misconception of the history of the Mongol empire placed a stigmata on the whole east asian people, we are led to believe the non-existent yellow peril and barbaric aspect of the eastern civilization. However, the truth is the way around, it was the west who brought destruction to the whole Eurasia. East asians have always been the victims of western barbarism: invasions, lootings, and also have been so much submissive even accepted the barbarians as part of our history, and complied to the slandering against our culture and people. It is time to see the truth!

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I know there was the Asud fighting with the Mongols, and the Asud were Alani.
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The Horde did not conquer from central Asia eastwards. It came from the east and spread to the west. The Golden Horde ruled over Tartars and Turks, so what? The Il Khanate ruled over Persians and Arabs, yet following similar logic it would seem to suggest that the Mongols were in fact Persian in origin.
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The Horde did not conquer from central Asia eastwards. It came from the east and spread to the west. The Golden Horde ruled over Tartars and Turks, so what? The Il Khanate ruled over Persians and Arabs, yet following similar logic it would seem to suggest that the Mongols were in fact Persian in origin.
The golden horde was a major force of mongol empire, the army was the majority population of the empire. And the highest line of Mongol ruler was from caucasian Ghengis Khan. Tartars and turks ruled over themself as the golden hordes. In russian khanates, the turkic languages was dominant.

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The golden horde was a major force of mongol empire, it is army is the majority of the empire. And the highest line of Mongol ruler was from caucasian Ghengis Khan. Tartars and turks ruled over themself as the golden hordes. In russian khanates, the turkic languages was dominant.
I've just realise you've got the wrong set of invaders. Surely you are talking about much earlier times with the Huns(Xiongnu). The Chinese described the hierarchy as being tall and Euripid.
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I've just realise you've got the wrong set of invaders. Surely you are talking about much earlier times with the Huns(Xiongnu). The Chinese described the hierarchy as being tall and Euripid.
You got it reverse again, Xiongnu=/=huns, and xiongnu were mongoloid nomadic confederation from 500BC (proven by genetics) which were likely of siberian tribes. Xianbei were the caucasian invaders who absorbed the remnant xiongnu and then claimed a part of China during the 4-5 century AD. Xianbei were contemprary to the huns, the huns were likely majority caucasians from xianbei with minor mongoloid influence from xiongnu.
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You got it reverse again, Xiongnu=/=huns, and xiongnu were mongoloid nomadic confederation from 500BC (proven by genetics) which were likely of siberian tribes. Xianbei were the caucasian invaders who absorbed the remnant xiongnu and then claimed a part of China during the 4-5 century AD. Xianbei were contemprary to the huns, the huns were likely majority caucasians from xianbei with minor mongoloid influence from xiongnu.
Genetics proved that those under the hierarchy were those who you were talking about, not the hierarchy themselves, who were said by the Chinese to be tall and Euripid. The Xianbei were from Manchuria and Mongolia, and very much stereotypical in their looks to those who are usually associated with those areas.
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The Golden Horde might have had many Caucasians as its subjects, but they only made up a small part of the Mongol empire. How "caucasian" the Golden Horde were has nothing to do with the original Mongol invasion.

I say you are studying history for the wrong reason. If you're here to blame Caucasians for the world's ills, then you are better off preaching somewhere else. People should be suspicious of historians who pay an unreasonable amount of attention to "ethnic", "racial" aspects of history. Normal historians probably wouldn't care about things like this.
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Genetics proved that those under the hierarchy were those who you were talking about, not the hierarchy themselves, who were said by the Chinese to be tall and Euripid. The Xianbei were from Manchuria and Mongolia, and very much stereotypical in their looks to those who are usually associated with those areas.
Xiongnu was older nomadic confederation, its soldieres genetics indicates close relation to siberian tribes. In nomadic cultures, soldiers are the highest rank in society. The white invaders you are talking about are xianbei from 4-5 centruty AD and nicknamed Bailu, the white looters.

You can try to google the words togather: xianbei bailu

However, xianbei was considered less destructive than mongols.
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Xiongnu was older nomadic confederation, its soldieres genetics indicates close relation to siberian tribes.
Can you show some sources for this?
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