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Old July 30th, 2011, 06:10 AM   #1

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What would have happened had King Harold won instead of King William?


1066. Battle of Hastings. Somehow, thorugh some miracle, King Harold manages to beat back William the Conqueror and his Normand army. Long story short, William and co are disposed of in whatever fashion they liked.

So, what would have happened then? What would the future of Great Britain look? like?
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Interesting question more 'German or Scandinavian' less 'French'?

Would there still be England, Scotland,Wales and Ireland rather the UK?

It was the 'Normans' who came to Ireland 800 years ago (not as is regularly stated the 'English').
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What about hardrada?
We assume he was still beaten?

If William had died first, then hardrada would've capitalized.
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1066. Battle of Hastings. Somehow, thorugh some miracle, King Harold manages to beat back William the Conqueror and his Normand army. Long story short, William and co are disposed of in whatever fashion they liked.

So, what would have happened then? What would the future of Great Britain look? like?
I know historical events look inevitable in retrospect, but there was nothing inevitable about William's victory at the Battle of Hastings - if anything, he got lucky.
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the english language wouldn't be the same because there wouldn't be that french influence.
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I know historical events look inevitable in retrospect, but there was nothing inevitable about William's victory at the Battle of Hastings - if anything, he got lucky.
From what I can remember a very close call, if he fell then the whole enterprise may have fallen.

One interesting idea 'King' of Leinster could not seek military support from Strongbow of Pembroke but Ok he has to go to Normandy for his soldiers.
But there no Norman King of England to arrive and put his claim in, instead a strong Norman Kingdom grows in Ireland-- 'interesting' things could happen.
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I know historical events look inevitable in retrospect, but there was nothing inevitable about William's victory at the Battle of Hastings - if anything, he got lucky.
if the Saxons had not kept breaking ranks to chase away fleeing Normans, they probably would have won
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if the Saxons had not kept breaking ranks to chase away fleeing Normans, they probably would have won
Not to mention that whole arrow in Harold's eye business.

As for changes in England, the English language would be more awesome today (IMO) and the Hundred Years War would not have happened. I think England would probably have eventually overcome Wales and Scotland no matter what was the ruling dynasty.
The big thing I feel would be because of the lack of a connection to France the concept of England as being separate from Europe would have emerged sooner and in a bigger way. It is perhaps just as interesting to contemplate what France would have been like in the absence of the Norman Conquest as England.
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if the Saxons had not kept breaking ranks to chase away fleeing Normans, they probably would have won
Without a doubt. They couldn't break through the line, and they were in a foreign land taking heavy casualties. If they ran away they'd have starved to death, and if they'd stayed to fight they'd have been worn down on the English shieldwall.

Ill discipline on the fyrd's part lead to the loss of the battle. If they'd simply done as they'd been ordered to do - hold the line - they'd have been just fine.
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The Normans knocked down the existing cathedrals at the time, and built larger impressive structures in their place. So no Normans no impressive cathedrals on the scale the Normans built.
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