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Old November 4th, 2012, 07:11 AM   #151

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K. Fair enough.
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Old November 4th, 2012, 07:59 AM   #152

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No, I have not been to southern India. But I have loads of reliable first hand info about it from expat southern Indian workers in my country. While large parts of it I understand are in quite close vicinity to the equator, so the climate wouldn't be too far different from that of Malaysia.
Those Indian expats are probably Malayalis (lots of Malayalis in SEA). Now, Kerala really is covered with dense rain forest and has a climate similar to SEA, but Kerala is hardly typical of South India. As The Imperial mentioned, only mountainous regions of India along the coastline (like Kerala) have tropical rain forests; this is because of the rain shadow effect. Most of South India, however, is a semi-arid plateau.

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Is that 21st century southern Andhra Pradesh? It would have been much more thickly vegetated in the 11th century AD. Let alone in the centuries BC. Man has always had a penchant for altering the environment.

21st century South East Asia would have quite a bit of wide open plains too, golf courses, horseracing tracks, city green lungs and what have you. But certainly not 11th century SEA, excepting the odd rice field here and there. That's why their ancient kingdoms had no cavalry. But they did use elephants in battle.
The picture is of rural Andhra Pradesh, undisturbed by the effects of urbanization. There's no reason to believe that it would have looked greatly different 1000 years ago.

The only reason why South Indian kingdoms didn't extensively use cavalry was because of a lack of good-quality horses. The Vijayanagar Empire, which ruled most of South India in the 14th-16th centuries, solved this by importing Persian war horses. Terrain was never a prohibitive factor for cavalry use in South India.

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Though South did not have extensive plains like Bengal and North India, even 2,000 years ago we hear of hundreds of chariots used by sangam kings in Tamil Nadu and Mauryas attacked northern Tamil Nadu with chariots and ably assisted by Wadugars meaning Andhra people.

It was Kerala alone that had no room for cavalry tactics quite often.

The Chalukyas battled with Bhoja with 30,000 horsemen so it is well recorded that southern kingdoms had large cavalry forces.
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The Chalukyas battled with Bhoja with 30,000 horsemen so it is well recorded that southern kingdoms had large cavalry forces.
Do we know what horses the Chalukyas were using? I mean were they using native breeds or foreign imports?
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Do we know what horses the Chalukyas were using? I mean were they using native breeds or foreign imports?
The Rashtrakuta Dynasty imported horses from Arabia and Persia so its possible that the
Chalukyas did the same.
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The begging question is, if they had big wide open plains, how come that nobody in those thousands of years had imported enough horses and bred them locally to build up sustainable local cavalries.

BTW, what does 'andhra' mean? Does it mean 'south', like 'uttara' means 'north'? If not, what is the Sanskrit for 'south'?
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No Andhra doesnt mean South. Dakshina means South in Sanskrit. Andhra is a primary word, and is not derived from anything else. It is the region where Telugu is spoken.
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Thanks. I thought so too, just wanted to reconfirm. So if I wanna say 'South Panchala', it would be 'Dakshina Panchala', and 'North Panchala' would be 'Uttara Panchala'. Yes?
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Thanks. I thought so too, just wanted to reconfirm. So if I wanna say 'South Panchala', it would be 'Dakshina Panchala', and 'North Panchala' would be 'Uttara Panchala'. Yes?
Yep. That is correct.
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