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Old October 25th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #231

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It would have if they were dropping the right bombs.
China can drop the right kind of bombs too.
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During the 1800s and early 1900s, america both had media freedom and segregation. Racism and media freedom are not incompatible, especially with jingoistic yellow journalism which makes up most of indias press
No offence but give me the Indian press over the Chinese propaganda machine any day of the week. Atleast there is *some* accountability in Indian media. Chinese just invent things out of thin air and then parrot it around their media.

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The armed forces special powers act was passed for kashmir, nagaland, manipur, assam, and other places in 1958
What sort of special bills were passed in the Chinese legislature to impose martial law in Tibet ? oh right- China does not have a legislature or any such checks and balances in place.

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The manipuris started their insurgency as soon as india became independent in 1948, before the communists took over china, your made up claims that china started e insurgency and that its china that makes the indian military abuse manipuris is a massive joke.
So you misquote/misrepsent me after your big speil about accuracy ?
Laughable.
I said that i don't consider Indian military's crimes against civillian populace in Manipur, Assam or Kashmir to be atypical- where there be big military presence, there be cases of violence, rape, coercement, etc. against civillians. We see this in India, we see this in Okinawa, we see this practically everywhere where we have tens of thousands of military sitting around watching a border, twiddling their thumbs and getting drunk at the local tavern.
So kindly tell us- what is the crime rate of the Chinese military in Xinjiang or Tibet ? Oh thats right- China has no checks and balances in place and such things get swept under the carpet, instead we are lead to believe that Chinese army demonstrates perfect discipline and there is not a single Chinese NCO who ever got drunk at a tavern and beat up the local Tibetan.

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Most armies of free, democratic nations don't have consistent records of raping the civilian women in places where they are stationed.
Actually, they do. Check out the crimes committed by the US forces in Okinawa, Phillipines, Germany, check out the crimes committed by British forces in Winchester.
Virtually all nations show the pattern of military violence towards civillians when a large number of military are permanently stationed in civillian areas, either in peacekeeping or 'standard base' deployment because soldiers, like rest of humanity, are prone to petty crimes or crimes of passion as well.


PS: You didn't answer my question that i have posed to you atleast twice on this thread: Do you seriously believe that China can actually compete with the US in a straight-up conventional arms war ?
If so, justify your position based on armaments and tactical & strategic scenarios where the Chinese can beat the US and kindly do so without the jingoism you have displayed so far in the thread, where you are basically implying that Chinese are supermen and better soldiers than the Americans.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #233

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Did you ask every single person in AP if they wanted to be part of india?.
And have you asked every single person in Arunachal pradesh whether they want to be part of India or not before deciding to post such rediculous comments?

They are complains to taint the image of army, not the real incidents in most cases. And no matter how many propaganda sources you put but the fact remains that less than 2% of all the complains filed are prevoen true by far. and those prooven guilty were already punished ASAP and dismissied from the army.

And btw no matter how many propaganda sources you may want to put but the fact remains that Assam rifles are considered most friendly by the tribal groups of the area.

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an ak-47 is a generic weapon and thousands flood black markets worldwide.

India, iraq, afghanistan, and the soviet union all supported baluchi rebels in iran and pakistan
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So you want to say that Ak -47 is available in black market all over the world but not in Pakistan!!!! Most of the tribal already keep weapons with them. and it isn't hard to aquire a gun in that area.
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The armed forces special powers act was passed for kashmir, nagaland, manipur, assam, and other places in 1958

Irom Chanu Sharmila - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act, 1958 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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And do you have any complete information about AFSPA? what special power it gives to the millitary? Then don't just randomaly start expresssing your opinions.

the special power given to millitary isn't special. They just aquire the capacity to act like a police force. As Army in normal condition don't have power to arrest the people without warrant or to kill the civilian person if they are attacked. and one more thing it doesn't give unlimited powers as the propaganda sources say. They can arrest the people or kill them only it is done in good faith to protect themselves. and they have to handle them within 24 hours to the Police force. people like you are just spreading this false information to demoralize the Indian army.

And don't ask why army needs a permission to kill a person or arrest them without warrant? because whne they encounter any terrorist in some house, it is absurd to go to goverment instituiton for permission to arrest him or kill him if he attacks them during the active confrontation.

And when govt removed AFSPA due to the popular demand the terrorist activities suddenly flared up in the area.

Oh and you mentioned AFSPA but you totally forgot to mention another act. I forgot that act but according to it even Indians need to take the permission to enter the seven sister states or KAshmir. This is done to protect the demographics of the people. India isn't intentionally changing the demographics and culture of the area unlike the China has done in Tibet. Look at the population demgraphics of the seven sister states and KAshmir and that of Tibet or Pakistan occupied KAshmir.


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Most armies of free, democratic nations don't have consistent records of raping the civilian women in places where they are stationed.

India has demanded that the burmese military help in supressing manipuri and naga insurgents.

Women from northeast india have to live in fear of rape just because they look east asian.

The Hindu : Opinion / Op-Ed : Let's stop pretending there's no racism in India

Fear of rape: The experience of women in Northeast India

A Girl from Manipur Raped in Delhi - VIRTHLI


North-East people discriminated in Delhi - YouTube


Manipur Students Association Delhi - Condemn Racism in India & Call for Peace - KanglaOnline

Stop Indian police atrocities on anti-trafficking activist

America was conisdered free and democratic, while cops ignored KKK lynchings.

India has already been labeled the worst country for women

India worst place for women among top 19 economies, Canada best - Hindustan Times

India the Worst Big Country to Be a Woman - NYTimes.com
HAve you asked every single lady or majority of the lady from the north east living in the other areas of India whether they are living under the fear of rape or not?

As the common logic says that if they would have been living under the fear of rape they would have returned to their home land long time ago.

Whne my sister was in banglore few years ago she met many north east Indians there. But none of them complained any such racial discrimination.

Oh and as far as the sources regarding the racial discrimination goes you can find all types of sources on net. South indians discriminated by north Indians, Biharis and UP people discriminated in India, Sikhs discriminated all over India and so on. However the ground reality in most cases is totally differant. SO stop putting random sources if you aren't the north east Indian who is discriminated your self in rest of India.

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Did you ask every single person in AP if they wanted to be part of india?.
Here is the result of the survey.

95% WANT TO BE WITH INDIA

80% WANT HINDI AS THE STATE LANGUAGE

89% FEEL PART OF INDIA

78% DISLIKE CHINA

44% FEEL INDIA IS NOT STRONG IN FACING UP TO CHINA

Arunachal Pradesh: The truth is out there : Special Report - India Today


And one more thing. Kashmiris, Manipuris, naga people or any other people from states with the insurgency aren't fleeing in large number from the India unlike the tibetan. Neither do I know any any large number of people from this states living in other countries as an exiled group unlike the tibetans. Certainly not possible if Indian army is unleashing a hell on them as you pathetic propaganda sources claim!!!
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Here is the result of the survey.

95% WANT TO BE WITH INDIA

80% WANT HINDI AS THE STATE LANGUAGE

89% FEEL PART OF INDIA

78% DISLIKE CHINA

44% FEEL INDIA IS NOT STRONG IN FACING UP TO CHINA

Arunachal Pradesh: The truth is out there : Special Report - India Today


And one more thing. Kashmiris, Manipuris, naga people or any other people from states with the insurgency aren't fleeing in large number from the India unlike the tibetan. Neither do I know any any large number of people from this states living in other countries as an exiled group unlike the tibetans. Certainly not possible if Indian army is unleashing a hell on them as you pathetic propaganda sources claim!!!
LOL show us a non Indian survey!
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And do you have any complete information about AFSPA? what special power it gives to the millitary? Then don't just randomaly start expresssing your opinions.

the special power given to millitary isn't special. They just aquire the capacity to act like a police force. As Army in normal condition don't have power to arrest the people without warrant or to kill the civilian person if they are attacked. and one more thing it doesn't give unlimited powers as the propaganda sources say. They can arrest the people or kill them only it is done in good faith to protect themselves. and they have to handle them within 24 hours to the Police force. people like you are just spreading this false information to demoralize the Indian army.

And don't ask why army needs a permission to kill a person or arrest them without warrant? because whne they encounter any terrorist in some house, it is absurd to go to goverment instituiton for permission to arrest him or kill him if he attacks them during the active confrontation.

And when govt removed AFSPA due to the popular demand the terrorist activities suddenly flared up in the area.

Oh and you mentioned AFSPA but you totally forgot to mention another act. I forgot that act but according to it even Indians need to take the permission to enter the seven sister states or KAshmir. This is done to protect the demographics of the people. India isn't intentionally changing the demographics and culture of the area unlike the China has done in Tibet. Look at the population demgraphics of the seven sister states and KAshmir and that of Tibet or Pakistan occupied KAshmir.




HAve you asked every single lady or majority of the lady from the north east living in the other areas of India whether they are living under the fear of rape or not?

As the common logic says that if they would have been living under the fear of rape they would have returned to their home land long time ago.

Whne my sister was in banglore few years ago she met many north east Indians there. But none of them complained any such racial discrimination.

Oh and as far as the sources regarding the racial discrimination goes you can find all types of sources on net. South indians discriminated by north Indians, Biharis and UP people discriminated in India, Sikhs discriminated all over India and so on. However the ground reality in most cases is totally differant. SO stop putting random sources if you aren't the north east Indian who is discriminated your self in rest of India.
Migrant workers aren't changing demographics?

The Hindu : Today's Paper / NATIONAL : Rebels at it again: quit notice to migrants in Manipur

Migrant workers flee Manipur

The Hindu : States / Other States : Rebels

Speaking of which, not only are some people not showing sources, they offer no evidence at all when it comes to discrimination in china.
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LOL show us a non Indian survey!
We don't need to. Since Indian media is free from govt. control, surveys done by Indian media has just as much validity as done in other western sources, for example their election related opinions.
Since those surveys have statistical validity, so does this one.

Come back to us when China can satisfy the basic criteria of media freedom.
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LOL show us a non Indian survey!

Interesting.. you yourself is frequently using Indian sources to bash the India. But when the same source doesn't suit your demand you call them unreliable!!!
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